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Don Bruder - 24 Jun 2008 06:57 GMT Just caught a blurb on the local radio station. Washington State Troopers are launching a special traffic enforcement operation.
Not the usual Ho-Hum crap of trying to screw people over for not buckling up, or a crackdown on speeders or drunks - Although I agree those are worthwhile efforts, they pale in comparison to one of my "favorite" pet peeves on the road.
What they're specifically looking for in the next several weeks are the idiots that don't understand that the left lane is for passing, not playing roadblock.
It's about friggin' time! If you're gonna drive on the freeway in "exactly the speed limit or lower" mode, I've got no problem with that - So long as you pull your head out of your a.s and do it in the rightmost lane! Not only is it common sense/good courtesy/the right thing to do, but it's been explicitly stated law here in Washington for quite a few years - including being clearly and frequently posted on every stretch of multi-lane-per-direction pavement I've driven on in this state - "KEEP RIGHT EXCEPT TO PASS" and/or "SLOWER TRAFFIC KEEP RIGHT" signs are almost as frequently seen as speed limit or "don't litter" signs.
What kind of brain-dead does a person need to be in order to fail to comprehend that ultra-basic rule of the road?
For once, I'll be rooting for the cops! :)
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BRUCE HASKIN - 24 Jun 2008 08:01 GMT GOOD JOB, Don ! I'm with you on this one. If the drivers would just read and follow the signage, the traffic would flow much better. The way they drive now days just pisses everyone off then someone pulls out a gun to make everything his way !! I drive the speed poasted and everyone wants to run over me even when I am in the outside lane. Just SLOW DOWN ! I hope WSP makes good on their plan.
Bruce "Bing" Garnet Red 03 LS IN Seattle
boxing@sasktel.net - 24 Jun 2008 13:18 GMT the left lane is those exceeding the speed limit? how does that work?
Brent P - 24 Jun 2008 13:27 GMT > the left lane is those exceeding the speed limit? how does that work? The left lane is for passing. But starting in the 1970s the joan claybrooks of the world decided that limited access highway speed limits should be set absurdly low. This then incouraged all the self-rightous slow is safe types out there to sit in whatever lane they chose. The absurdly low speed limits still exist in many states, others have raised speed limits back to what they were in the 1960s, but automotive technology has had 40 years of advancement since then.
N8N - 24 Jun 2008 14:06 GMT On Jun 24, 8:27 am, Brent P <tetraethylleadREMOVET...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > the left lane is those exceeding the speed limit? how does that work? > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > speed limits back to what they were in the 1960s, but automotive > technology has had 40 years of advancement since then. And those were 40 *good* years of innovation. Keep in mind that the typical used car in 1974 had four wheel drum brakes, 6.something-15 bias ply tires, and a live rear axle. Granted, it is still possible to safely drive such a vehicle on today's roads, but it does take a little more care and attention than the average driver is willing to take. "Innovations" that were only found on high end sports cars back then are now standard equipment on the most plebian econobox.
The *best* thing we could do to improve traffic flow and lane courtesy would be to raise speed limits to their proper 85th percentile levels and free up the cops to enforce other traffic laws, with a special emphasis on lane courtesy.
nate
Steve - 24 Jun 2008 16:06 GMT > On Jun 24, 8:27 am, Brent P <tetraethylleadREMOVET...@yahoo.com> > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > typical used car in 1974 had four wheel drum brakes, 6.something-15 > bias ply tires, and a live rear axle. You're a few years off there, Nate. By 74 front drum brakes were EXTREMELY rare (I don't know if they were even available on Chrysler products anymore at that time). And radials were coming into the mainstream too.
>Granted, it is still possible > to safely drive such a vehicle on today's roads, I do it all the time ;-)
It amazes me that freeway speed limits aren't up close to triple digits. If you think about the progress of technology in the first half of the last century, it was amazing. It was 30 years before "average" cars could do what a 30s Duesenberg could do, and traffic laws moved right along with the technology. But then sometime in the mid 70s the technological progress slowed dramatically, and traffic law went into reverse :-(
Brent P - 24 Jun 2008 16:33 GMT >> On Jun 24, 8:27 am, Brent P <tetraethylleadREMOVET...@yahoo.com> >> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > products anymore at that time). And radials were coming into the > mainstream too. For the '74 _model_ year there were only a few models left with standard front drums. These weren't 'low' production vehicles either. "EXTREMELY rare" doesn't fit what was probably a couple hundred thousand vehicles total. But that's not what Nate was refering to. The average car in 1974 is of the vehicle fleet. The vehicle fleet had many 4 wheel drum brake cars.
N8N - 24 Jun 2008 19:12 GMT > > On Jun 24, 8:27 am, Brent P <tetraethylleadREMOVET...@yahoo.com> > > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > products anymore at that time). And radials were coming into the > mainstream too. Keep in mind that not everyone drives a new model car though. My dad kept his '67 Cutlass into the early 80s, and nobody thought that was particularly odd. He'd Also manufacturers kept making a big deal about "radial tuned" suspensions etc. so people with older cars sometimes were convinced to buy bias ply tires for replacements even after radials were commonly available, mostly because there was a lot of misinformation out there. (that is, an older car with radial tires will still handle better than an older car with bias plys, even though it may not ride or handle quite as well as a car designed around radial tires - but back then, some people didn't agree with that statement. Remember, we didn't have the intarwebs back then, so sometimes you had to rely on the advice of the corner mechanic or the guy at the tire store not to buy the wrong thing. How did we ever get by?)
> >Granted, it is still possible > > to safely drive such a vehicle on today's roads, [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > technological progress slowed dramatically, and traffic law went into > reverse :-(- Hide quoted text - yeah, I'm saddened that the offerings at my local Chevy dealer still can't do what an early 70's Ferrari Daytona or Lamborghini Miura could do (nor do any new cars meet the styling benchmarks set by those venerable icons...)
Hell, I'd settle for some black perforated leather seats. Would a little class for my a$$ be too much to ask for?
nate
Rodan - 24 Jun 2008 14:52 GMT boxing@sasktel.net wrote:
the left lane is those exceeding the speed limit? how does that work? _____________________________________________
..The left lane is for passing. But starting in the 1970s the joan claybrooks of the world decided that limited access highway speed limits should be set absurdly low. This then incouraged all the self-rightous slow-is-safe types out there to sit in whatever lane they chose. The absurdly low speed limits still exist in many states, others have raised speed limits back to what they were in the 1960s, but automotive technology has had 40 years of advancement since then. ____________________________________________
Driving above the posted speed limit is not necessarily speeding, because speed limits are not absolute. Driving faster than the posted limit is "prima facie" evidence of a violation, but a person so cited has the right to the court defense of claiming that the cited speed was legal because it satisfied the "basic speed law" of being safe and reasonable.
Those who block traffic lanes at any speed for moralistic reasons rob all other drivers of the right to judge safety or reasonableness, rob any driver of the necessary passage in an emergency, and rob the safety of all drivers by inviting road-rage incidents. Traffic lane blockers themselves are breaking the basic speed law, and are a serious threat to everyone's safety.
Rodan.
tnom@mucks.net - 24 Jun 2008 23:08 GMT >Those who block traffic lanes at any speed for moralistic reasons >rob all other drivers of the right to judge safety or reasonableness, >rob any driver of the necessary passage in an emergency, and rob >the safety of all drivers by inviting road-rage incidents. Traffic >lane blockers themselves are breaking the basic speed law, and >are a serious threat to everyone's safety. The violation is impeding the flow of traffic. You can be in violation of this offence even if you are going above the speed limit.
HLS - 24 Jun 2008 14:47 GMT "Don Bruder" <dakidd@sonic.net> wrote in message
> What kind of brain-dead does a person need to be in order to fail to > comprehend that ultra-basic rule of the road? Most people here in Texas seem to be brain dead about this, Don. Very inconsiderate to hog the passing lane, and dangerous too. Police (snort..laugh) do it themselves here, as well as pass you on the right using the shoulder.
Hope this catches on.
SINNER - 24 Jun 2008 15:32 GMT * HLS wrote in rec.autos.makers.mazda.miata:
> "Don Bruder" <dakidd@sonic.net> wrote in message >> What kind of brain-dead does a person need to be in order to fail to [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Hope this catches on. On sections of I30 they are starting to keep trucks out of the left lane, on the higgways in Jersey there is signage that desgnates left lanes are for passing and I have seen cops ticket drivers for this. In Texas, there are no signs which might help curb the problem if theyd put some up.
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Steve - 24 Jun 2008 16:09 GMT > * HLS wrote in rec.autos.makers.mazda.miata: > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > On sections of I30 they are starting to keep trucks out of the left lane, This is true of I-35 from north of Austin all the way to south of San Antonio now. Of course it hardly matters because since NAFTA and all the population growth (I'd like to blame it all on Californians moving here, but that's only about 50%) that stretch of 35 is just an 80-mile long parking lot anyway :-p
Frank Berger - 24 Jun 2008 17:27 GMT >* HLS wrote in rec.autos.makers.mazda.miata: > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > for passing and I have seen cops ticket drivers for this. In Texas, there > are no signs which might help curb the problem if theyd put some up. My father once got a ticket in Pennsylvania for cruising in the left lane on the interstate I don't believe he was hindering anyone; in fact he was probably speeding most of the time. He just never bothered to move back to the right and I guess that in itself was a violation.
N8N - 24 Jun 2008 19:15 GMT On Jun 24, 12:27 pm, "Frank Berger" <frank.d.ber...@dal.frb.org> wrote:
> >* HLS wrote in rec.autos.makers.mazda.miata: > [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > - Show quoted text - yes, in PA it is. They made a big deal about it when they enacted a stronger law a couple years back. I remember my grandmother knew I was coming home to visit for Christmas that year and made sure I knew about it. I simply thanked her for the warning rather than pointing out that I actually did know how to drive, and therefore wasn't particularly worried about violating this law...
nate
Don Bruder - 24 Jun 2008 19:33 GMT In article <1bca910f-d058-432c-b4de-8e25ae92d768@s50g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>,
> On Jun 24, 12:27 pm, "Frank Berger" <frank.d.ber...@dal.frb.org> > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > > nate That, I think, is going a bit too far in the other direction... If you're cruising the freeway and all you've got is "a county and a half" worth of empty asphalt behind you, with everybody else hugging the right shoulder as you breeze by them, I can see no reason to quibble over what lane you're in. It *DEFINITELY* changes when you get into a traffic situation, of course, but when you're effectively the only population on the road, or at least, the only population on the road that's indicating even the slightest interest in using the left lane, what purpose (aside from revenue generation) is served by ticketing a LL cruiser?
(Although I do grant that when I'm doing a long run in the left lane for whatever reason - perhaps an extended pack of right-laners to pass, or even "just finished passing the pack of right-laners and I'm pulling away from them with nobody in the lane behind me, and I can see nothing but open road ahead", I get a subtle twinge of "not-quite-comfy" for no particular reason, and typically tend to slide back over to the right fairly soon, even though there's no real point in bothering to do so)
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Steve - 25 Jun 2008 16:05 GMT > That, I think, is going a bit too far in the other direction... If > you're cruising the freeway and all you've got is "a county and a half" > worth of empty asphalt behind you, with everybody else hugging the right > shoulder as you breeze by them, I can see no reason to quibble over what > lane you're in. Not only that, but it evens out wear on the traffic lanes. Down in the desert southwest, the right lane in rural areas can get really pounded in the summer months when the asphalt is soft, especially if everyone camps out over there. I will move to the left lane to get out of the washboard under those conditions, but I don't go to sleep over there. If a speck appears 5 miles back in my rear-view and is closing, I'll move back over.
Or not. Frequently in such a low-traffic scenario, the approaching car will move over WAY back and politely pass on the right. It doesn't scale to high-traffic scenarios (to quote Brent) but in such low traffic areas two drivers can work out whatever they want by clearly showing intent. Happens all the time.
Craig Wagner - 27 Jun 2008 18:27 GMT >That, I think, is going a bit too far in the other direction... If >you're cruising the freeway and all you've got is "a county and a half" >worth of empty asphalt behind you, with everybody else hugging the right >shoulder as you breeze by them, I can see no reason to quibble over what >lane you're in. It promotes sloppy lane discipline though, and gets us right back to where we are today. The individual toodling along in the left lane eventually forgets to keep checking his rearview, and before you know it there's a line of traffic behind him. If there's a half mile between the guy I just passed and the next one, I'll pull back in just to be on the safe side.
barry - 28 Jun 2008 23:20 GMT >>That, I think, is going a bit too far in the other direction... If >>you're cruising the freeway and all you've got is "a county and a half" [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >behind him. If there's a half mile between the guy I just passed and the next >one, I'll pull back in just to be on the safe side. i submit that the fact that this is merely a reflection of the fundamental american perspective which is very individualistic. this can be a strength or a weakness depending on the circumstances.
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E Meyer - 24 Jun 2008 19:21 GMT On 6/24/08 9:32 AM, in article Xns9AC7610DDD261louiscypherhellorg@140.99.99.130, "SINNER" <arcade.master@gmail.com> wrote:
> * HLS wrote in rec.autos.makers.mazda.miata: > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > for passing and I have seen cops ticket drivers for this. In Texas, there > are no signs which might help curb the problem if theyd put some up. That's not true. The Interstates have signs in Texas. They used to say "slower traffic keep right". When they passed the "road rage" law, they changed them to "left lane for passing only". Look harder, they're out there. The only thing that will solve the problem will be enforcement though.
SINNER - 26 Jun 2008 16:24 GMT * E Meyer wrote in rec.autos.makers.mazda.miata:
>> On sections of I30 they are starting to keep trucks out of the left >> lane, on the higgways in Jersey there is signage that desgnates left [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > they're out there. The only thing that will solve the problem will be > enforcement though. Been here almost 10 years and never seen one.
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E Meyer - 26 Jun 2008 17:06 GMT On 6/26/08 10:24 AM, in article Xns9AC969E1251CElouiscypherhellorg@140.99.99.130, "SINNER" <arcade.master@gmail.com> wrote:
> * E Meyer wrote in rec.autos.makers.mazda.miata: > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Been here almost 10 years and never seen one. I'll grant you they don't pepper the side of the road with them, but keep looking, they are there. The stretch of interstate I drive most frequently, I-45 from Dallas south to Navarro county has them every time the speed limit changes and generally at each county line.
N8N - 24 Jun 2008 19:13 GMT > "Don Bruder" <dak...@sonic.net> wrote in message > > What kind of brain-dead does a person need to be in order to fail to [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Hope this catches on. How could a cop be a LLB? I have yet to see a cop on the highway that wasn't either a) parked in the median or b) doing at least 20 over. usually more.
nate
E Meyer - 24 Jun 2008 19:18 GMT On 6/24/08 8:47 AM, in article xY68k.12736$mh5.9142@nlpi067.nbdc.sbc.com,
> "Don Bruder" <dakidd@sonic.net> wrote in message >> What kind of brain-dead does a person need to be in order to fail to [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Hope this catches on. Making "camping out in the left lane" illegal was one of the three components of the "road rage" law passed in Texas a few years ago (along with stopping past the line in the left turn lane so that the people trying to make a legal right turn on red can't see to do it & I forget what the third thing was...). Now if we could just get them to enforce it.
Since the law was passed, I've only seen one car pulled over & he was doing 50 in the far left lane (speed limit 65) on I-45 going through Ferris.
I remember the passing on the shoulder when I lived in Houston, as well as making ad hoc exit ramps and driving on the sidewalk. Fortunately, most of that doesn't extend throughout the whole state.
Steve - 24 Jun 2008 16:01 GMT > It's about friggin' time! If you're gonna drive on the freeway in > "exactly the speed limit or lower" mode, I've got no problem with that - [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > "KEEP RIGHT EXCEPT TO PASS" and/or "SLOWER TRAFFIC KEEP RIGHT" signs are > almost as frequently seen as speed limit or "don't litter" signs. Whenever I've been in WA on business (Seattle/Tacoma/Bremerton area) I've always been amazed that people up there drive so a) slowly, and b) basically politely. There are a few local customs that they seem to get pissy about (example- they seem to expect drivers in the rightmost lane to defer to traffic coming up entrance ramps- very odd, but it works if you're used to it). But for the most part, even the left lane stays about the speed limit. Of course that makes for the occasional rolling chicane when cars in all 3 (or more) lanes are doing about the same speed and the leftmost car takes FOREVER to get past the others.
I always feel like a barracuda in a koi pond my first few hours up there because when I get in the left lane to pass I feel like I *need* to get to the limit plus 10 at a minimum, and no one else is doing that.
Brent P - 24 Jun 2008 16:28 GMT > basically politely. There are a few local customs that they seem to get > pissy about (example- they seem to expect drivers in the rightmost lane > to defer to traffic coming up entrance ramps- very odd, but it works if > you're used to it). That sort of idiotcy doesn't scale. In any sort of significant traffic the braking waves will quickly tip into congestion.
Don Phillipson - 24 Jun 2008 19:18 GMT > Just caught a blurb on the local radio station. Washington State > Troopers are launching a special traffic enforcement operation. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > "KEEP RIGHT EXCEPT TO PASS" and/or "SLOWER TRAFFIC KEEP RIGHT" signs are > almost as frequently seen as speed limit or "don't litter" signs. California seems to be different. I was ticketed there (years ago) for changing lanes too often, i.e. returning to the right lane after overtaking, in very sparse traffic.
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Frank Berger - 24 Jun 2008 21:00 GMT >> Just caught a blurb on the local radio station. Washington State >> Troopers are launching a special traffic enforcement operation. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > California seems to be different. California is different? Now there's a shock.
barry - 25 Jun 2008 00:25 GMT >>> Just caught a blurb on the local radio station. Washington State >>> Troopers are launching a special traffic enforcement operation. [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > >California is different? Now there's a shock. in CA (southern CA, anway) there aren't many admonitions about staying to the right - and any that do exist are pretty much ignored.
but given that the vast majority of speeding tickets issued by the CHP are given to motorists driving in the far left lane (and anything over 100 is now ticketed as reckless driving - which can'be contested in court they way speeding tickets can be if you know the loopholes in CA code), i personally make it a point to move to the right as much as possible. i've done 80+ in the middle lane (of five) and gotten a verbal warning (via bullhorn) to slow down whereas if i'd been the far left lane, i'd have gotten a ticket.
say what you will about the french, but they are civilized when it comes to road and freeway traffic. i drove from paris to avignon and everyone stayed to the right and moved left only to pass. too bad they also put americans to shame with their use of roundabouts/traffic circles.
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johnny p. - 26 Jun 2008 02:11 GMT > Just caught a blurb on the local radio station. Washington State > Troopers are launching a special traffic enforcement operation. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > ...For once, I'll be rooting for the cops! :) God, ya'll are so sweet and innocent, it's kinda like when I go to the mall at Christmas time and some little kid looks up at me
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with his or her big shining eyes and says, "Are you Santa Claus?"
Now here's what's really going on. You've heard of "DWB," right? Big, big, bad offense: Driving While Black.
And where I live, by keeping your eyes open you can see it now and again even if you're so extremely Caucasian you get mistaken for Santa Claus. A whole line of traffic is just honking along on the Interstate, where everybody who's not both antisocial and suicidal is going 15 or 20 over the ridiculously low speed limit, as everybody does 24 hours a day on that stretch of road.
Whoa, suddenly out of nowhere you see a cop car change lanes and come zipping up behind one of the cars in the stream. He's following real real close behind this one particular car and driving with one hand while he keys the tag number into the Panasonic Toughbook mounted on the passenger seat. And then that cop dogs him, just hounds the dude, follows him at a car length gap for three, five, eight miles, until finally he gets bored, lane-swerves, and roars off in a big dust cloud of Police Interceptor horsepower.
And then you come on past the target, and glance over, and nine times out of ten it's a brother.
All the young black guys learn real quick that when you see those gumballs in your rear-view, you bring it right on down to the speed limit and not an iota above, and you steer like you've got your Granny in the passenger seat with a basket of eggs on her lap. You don't give them any excuse to pull you over and while away an hour or two of their paid time and your unpaid time while they inspect and interrogate you like they saw your name on the FBI top ten most wanted list. You slow down and drive straight.
All this is about is that the Washington cops have decided to take that dodge out of play too. Speeding? We'll pull you over, boy, and slap your black a.s with a ticket. That'll teach you! Not speeding? Same God damn thing.
yrs jp
Chuck - 26 Jun 2008 09:00 GMT Unfortunately, the semi's have torn up the right lane on the interstates to the point that it's often unusable for a car like a Miata! For instance--During a summer thunderstorm, the left lane ruts collect water like you would not believe. In north Florida, when this kind of weather is going on, you can expect to see several smaller and older foreign cars hydroplaning into the shoulders or median. There should be warning signs posted for these areas!
Not to mention that the driver and passenger (if any) are quite uncomfortable because of the ruts, bumps, and the resulting vibration. It makes driving or going any distance really an unpleasant experience!
>> Just caught a blurb on the local radio station. Washington State >> Troopers are launching a special traffic enforcement operation. [quoted text clipped - 54 lines] > > yrs jp Rodan - 26 Jun 2008 09:31 GMT Don Bruder wrote:
Just caught a blurb on the local radio station. Washington State Troopers are launching a special traffic enforcement operation, concentrating for the next several weeks on the idiots who don't understand that the left lane is for passing, not playing roadblock. __________________________________________________________
It's just another excuse to harass motorists for DWB (Driving While Black). When a line of traffic is moving along nicely, a cop will thread through the traffic to zoom up behind one car, tailgate it at one carlength for 3 to 5 miles, than pull out and zoom away if they can't scare the driver into making a mistake. Nine times out of ten, the victim is a brother.
Besides ticketing you for speeding they can now ticket you for not speeding. Same God damn thing. _________________________________________________________
It's called profiling. One group is singled out for scrutiny for possible law-breaking while others are ignored. Those who endorse profiling claim that it is the most efficient use of security resources. They use statistics to support their position. For example, they claim that Blacks, who are 13 per cent of the population, commit 50 per cent of the felonies, while Whites, who are 50 per cent of the population only commit 30 per cent of the felonies. Then they compare felonies per population density for both groups: 50/13 = 3.85 felonies per population unit versus 30/50 = 0.6 felonies per population unit. They conclude that any Black is 3.85/0.6 = 6.4 times as likely to commit a crime as a White. So millions of innocent Blacks suffer being profiled.
Religious profiling also exists. Islamics, who are 33 per cent of the world's population, commit 99.8 per cent of suicide bombings, while Christians, who are 33 per cent of the world's population commit only 0.004 per cent of suicide bombings. Comparing suicide bombings per population unit yields Islamics 99.8/33 = 3.02 suicide bombings per population unit, and Christians 0.004/33 = 0.00012 suicide bombings per population unit. The conclusion is that any Islamic is 3.02/0.00012 = 25,167 times as likely to be carrying a suicide bomb as a Christian. Here again, millions of innocent Islamics suffer being profiled.
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Squat - 26 Jun 2008 11:20 GMT > Religious profiling also exists. Islamics, who are 33 per cent of the > world's population, commit 99.8 per cent of suicide bombings, while [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Rodan. <------ been profiled before Well, Maybe if Islamics stopped the suicide bombings, stopped burning Christian churches in the middle east, stopped detroying Buhdist temples in S. E. Asia and generally joined the ranks of the modern world, the profiling would stop. I don't expect Islam to adjust to the world of 2008 but maybe if they could move their thinking forward a few years (maybe the early 1800s????) we could all get along. I, for one, am tired of Islamic fundamentalists coming to America and then demanding that we adjust our way of life to fit their warped "religion". Religion of peace, my a.s. Squat
OzOne - 26 Jun 2008 11:51 GMT >> Religious profiling also exists. Islamics, who are 33 per cent of the >> world's population, commit 99.8 per cent of suicide bombings, while [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] >Religion of peace, my a.s. >Squat I'd respectfully suggest that all Islamists are just a little tired of others invading or aiding others to invade their countries in an attempt to force them into changing their way of life......
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XS11E - 26 Jun 2008 18:15 GMT > I'd respectfully suggest that all Islamists are just a little > tired of others invading or aiding others to invade their > countries in an attempt to force them into changing their way of > life...... Just as all non-Islamics are just a little tired of Islamics invading or aiding other Islamics to invade our countries in an attempt to force us into changing our way of life....
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Squat - 26 Jun 2008 23:04 GMT >> I'd respectfully suggest that all Islamists are just a little >> tired of others invading or aiding others to invade their [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > or aiding other Islamics to invade our countries in an attempt to force > us into changing our way of life.... XS, He played the victim card. Don't you know nothing trumps that? All logical arguments are null and void now. Don't confuse the issue with facts. Squat
Invisible Man - 29 Jun 2008 15:51 GMT >> I'd respectfully suggest that all Islamists are just a little >> tired of others invading or aiding others to invade their [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > or aiding other Islamics to invade our countries in an attempt to force > us into changing our way of life.... I don't remember Iraq invading the USA but perhaps the Iraquis do no want to control US oil? Pity there is no oil in Zimbabwe or other places in Africa where genocide and starvation is rife.
XS11E - 29 Jun 2008 17:23 GMT >>> I'd respectfully suggest that all Islamists are just a little >>> tired of others invading or aiding others to invade their [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > I don't remember Iraq invading the USA but perhaps the Iraquis do > no want to control US oil? You've forgotten a lot of other things, as well?
Why did I know that sooner or later you'd be repeating the oil lie?
Learn some history and some facts before posting, OK?
Meanwhile, we're off topic and you're apparently to ill-informed to continue so I'll drop it.
XS11E - 29 Jun 2008 17:55 GMT Sorry about the repeats, for some reason Motzarella decided not to send any replies, than followed up with the multiples. ??????
Ray Banana - 30 Jun 2008 08:21 GMT Also sprach XS11E <xs11eNO@SPAMyahoo.com>
> Sorry about the repeats, for some reason Motzarella decided not to send > any replies, than followed up with the multiples. ?????? Just look at the date and time of your articles. Motzarella sent them just as they arrived, you client seems to have been confused somehow. I know that OE behaves like this at times (can't handle the limit of 4 connections). Could you tell me what client you are using?
F'up set to poster.
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XS11E - 29 Jun 2008 17:26 GMT >>> I'd respectfully suggest that all Islamists are just a little >>> tired of others invading or aiding others to invade their [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > I don't remember Iraq invading the USA but perhaps the Iraquis do > no want to control US oil? You've forgotten a lot of other things, as well?
Why did I know that sooner or later you'd be repeating the oil myth?
Learn some history and some facts before posting, OK?
Meanwhile, we're off topic and you're apparently to ill-informed to continue so I'll drop it.
XS11E - 29 Jun 2008 17:28 GMT >>> I'd respectfully suggest that all Islamists are just a little >>> tired of others invading or aiding others to invade their [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > I don't remember Iraq invading the USA but perhaps the Iraquis do > no want to control US oil? You've forgotten a lot of other things, as well?
Why did I know that sooner or later you'd be repeating the oil myth?
Learn some history and some facts before posting, OK?
Meanwhile, we're off topic and you're apparently too ill-informed to continue the discussion so I'll drop it.
XS11E - 29 Jun 2008 17:53 GMT >>> I'd respectfully suggest that all Islamists are just a little >>> tired of others invading or aiding others to invade their [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > I don't remember Iraq invading the USA but perhaps the Iraquis do > no want to control US oil? You've forgotten a lot of other things, as well?
Why did I know that sooner or later you'd be repeating the oil myth?
Learn some history and some facts before posting, OK?
Meanwhile, we're off topic and you're apparently too ill-informed to continue the discussion so I'll drop it.
OzOne - 30 Jun 2008 12:02 GMT >>> I'd respectfully suggest that all Islamists are just a little >>> tired of others invading or aiding others to invade their [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >Pity there is no oil in Zimbabwe or other places in Africa where >genocide and starvation is rife. My mistake...I meant others invadinf Islamic countries...as you well knew.
OzOne of the three twins
I welcome you to Crackerbox Palace.
Calab - 26 Jun 2008 14:25 GMT <snip>
> gumballs in your rear-view, you bring it right on down to the speed > limit and not an iota above, and you steer like you've got your Granny [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > like they saw your name on the FBI top ten most wanted list. You slow > down and drive straight. <snip>
Uhm... why wouldn't you already be driving legally in the first place?
Chuck - 07 Jul 2008 07:32 GMT "you bring it right on down to the speed limit----"
Around here, that's a good way to get pulled over, with the cops thinking you might be running drugs or illegals. Never run exactly the speed limit. After all, in this state, except in construction and a few other zones, only a state cop can write a ticket for less than ten over. And they will not, unless you are doing something else to gain attention. Other cops can be obnoxious, and stop you, hoping to find something to complain about. Usually they will not, since it's not worth the time and effort to chase you down for a minor infraction.
We have two local small towns that overlap the local interstate in a rural area. They make tons of money by sitting just inside the town limits on the interstate shoulders, and catching the unwary. It's really dumb, because the city cops use the older radar systems that are always set to highway (high power) mode, and don't have the instant on features that the state uses. Just watch the trucks. If they slow down to 65-70, you can bet that there is a radar trap just ahead.
> <snip> > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Uhm... why wouldn't you already be driving legally in the first place?
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