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Car Forum / Mazda / Mazda Miata / May 2004Top down, windows up. Uuughhh
My wife and I were riding in my '97 yesterday with the top down and she wanted to put the windows up so her hair wouldn't get so "mussed." Geeez. It's not as if she were 80. I told her that to do so is a serious violation of the convertable code of ethics. Then we saw a BMW Z3 in just such an infernal configuration. She pointed it out and I told her that Beemer drivers are all arrogant wusses and that they erroneously believe that they are above adhering to proper convertable ethics. Case closed. She wants more confirmation of my position. What do you all say? > My wife and I were riding in my '97 yesterday with the top > down and she wanted to put the windows up so her hair wouldn't > get so "mussed." I always try to keep a scarf, small brush, and some hairclips/pins in the glove compartment. > Geeez. It's not as if she were 80. I told her that to do so > is a serious violation of the convertable code of ethics. I don't know if "ethics" is quite the right word, but it is a serious breech of the rules of style. And a far more serious one than having mussed hair, I might add. > Then we saw a BMW Z3 in just such an infernal configuration. Z3 owners haven't a clue. Around here they hardly ever even put the tops down. If they do, even a light rain will cause Z3 tops to all go right back up again. > She pointed it out and I told her that Beemer drivers are all > arrogant wusses and that they erroneously believe that they > are above adhering to proper convertable ethics. I think it's rather that they're all completely ignorant of the basics of convertible style. Though you'd think one glance at the top-down/windows-up configuration would clue them in that it's tres gauche. > Case closed. She wants more confirmation of my position. What > do you all say? I'm with you.  SignatureGrant Edwards grante Yow! Did I SELL OUT yet?? at visi.com > Z3 owners haven't a clue. Around here they hardly ever even > put the tops down. If they do, even a light rain will cause Z3 > tops to all go right back up again. Friday, leaving work, I got out to my car, put the top down, tossed the laptop bag on the passenger seat, and was heading out of the parking lot, when it started to rain. The sky wasn't THAT dark, and I knew there was a lot of open, non-stop road ahead, so I pressed on. I only got lightly sprinkled upon, and after a couple of minutes of traffic lights, I was on the open road, and the wind was keeping most of it off me. A couple more minutes after that, and it tapered off and the sun came out. Just a reminder: In the words of Sir Winston, "If you're going through hell ... keep going." get a windblocker.....i got one online...and it works great. >My wife and I were riding in my '97 yesterday with the top down and >she wanted to put the windows up so her hair wouldn't get so "mussed." >Geeez. It's not as if she were 80. I told her that to do so is a >serious violation of the convertable code of ethics. Bingo. With you all the way. You might as well trail a banner that says "I hate convertibles, but everyone says that convertibles are cool, so I bought it anyway! I'm dumb as a post!" -- Larry >My wife and I were riding in my '97 yesterday with the top down and >she wanted to put the windows up so her hair wouldn't get so "mussed." [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >ethics. Case closed. She wants more confirmation of my position. >What do you all say? I read somewhere that if the passenger wants the window up , let them do it. A driver gets less wind effect if the driver's side window is down and the passenger's side widow is up. SignatureCol Col's law. Thinly sliced cabbage.. > I read somewhere that if the passenger wants the window up , let them do it. Not in my car. :) I'll gladly put the top up if a passenger doesn't like the wind, but if the top's down, the windows are down. Period. > A driver gets less wind effect if the driver's side window is > down and the passenger's side widow is up. And even less wind effect in a Callilac Sedan De Ville... SignatureGrant Edwards grante Yow! I am a jelly donut. I at am a jelly donut. visi.com hmmmm.... if you are going to preach code of ethics, at least learn to spell convertible correctly. (And I just happen to own both a beemer and a Miata!) :) >My wife and I were riding in my '97 yesterday with the top down and >she wanted to put the windows up so her hair wouldn't get so "mussed." [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >ethics. Case closed. She wants more confirmation of my position. >What do you all say? split personality ??? > hmmmm.... if you are going to preach code of ethics, at least learn to > spell convertible correctly. [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > >ethics. Case closed. She wants more confirmation of my position. > >What do you all say? > hmmmm.... if you are going to preach code of ethics, at least learn to > spell convertible correctly. > > (And I just happen to own both a beemer and a Miata!) And if *you* are going to preach code of ethics, at least learn to spell "Bimmer" correctly. <snip> Signaturetooloud Remove nothing to reply... Bimmer? Beemer? Is this a tomato/tomahto issue? DonB >> hmmmm.... if you are going to preach code of ethics, at least learn to >> spell convertible correctly. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > ><snip> > Bimmer? Beemer? Is this a tomato/tomahto issue? No. The car is a Bimmer; the bike is a Beemer. Still, a lot of mistakes are made (perhaps by the same folk who use apostrophes to make plurals and have trouble with homonyms). SignatureLanny Chambers, St. Louis, USA '94C the alignment page: http://www.hummingbirds.net/alignment.html > > Bimmer? Beemer? Is this a tomato/tomahto issue? > > No. The car is a Bimmer; the bike is a Beemer. Bimmer is pronounced bee-mer? (with the "e" of mer actually being a schwa) Is this a German pronunciation thing? I've oft wondered about that spelling.... > > > Bimmer? Beemer? Is this a tomato/tomahto issue? > > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Is this a German pronunciation thing? I've oft wondered about that > spelling.... In German BMW is pronounced bay-em-vay. I don't know were bimmer or beemer comes from. >> > > Bimmer? Beemer? Is this a tomato/tomahto issue? >> > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >In German BMW is pronounced bay-em-vay. I don't know were bimmer or beemer >comes from. Thats just the way the BMW owners like it to be . I heard a conversation once between a few guys and in answer to what are you driving I heard "Merc" "Beemer" and a "DB" Aston Martin DB". I drive an "E" SignatureCol Col's law. Thinly sliced cabbage.. Last January, I flew down to Texas to buy my 99 Miata. Next to me on the plain was a young tennis pro from Australia. I told him I was buying a Mazda. He looked at me rather bewildered, then he replied, " Oh, you mean a Muzzda!" > > > > Bimmer? Beemer? Is this a tomato/tomahto issue? > > > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > In German BMW is pronounced bay-em-vay. I don't know were bimmer or beemer > comes from. Lanny, Aren't "homonyms" good to eat, like "can-a-lope" ? Or, are they more like "lay-gooms" ? :-) Bruce RED '91 > My wife and I were riding in my '97 yesterday with the top down and > she wanted to put the windows up so her hair wouldn't get so "mussed." > Geeez. It's not as if she were 80. I told her that to do so is a > serious violation of the convertable code of ethics. I learned something in the last few years; let people enjoy things the way they want to. If they like the window up better, so what? Do it your way, and live and let live. Your code of ethics is *your* code of ethics in this case. Dana I have to say it depends - if you're on the freeway, OK. If it is early or late season in a Northern climate, the windows up and the heater on is just mighty fine. > My wife and I were riding in my '97 yesterday with the top down and > she wanted to put the windows up so her hair wouldn't get so "mussed." [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > ethics. Case closed. She wants more confirmation of my position. > What do you all say? > I have to say it depends - if you're on the freeway, OK. If it is early or > late season in a Northern climate, the windows up and the heater on is just > mighty fine. And in very muggy weather in the summer, sometimes I'll go with top down, windows up, and the AC on. > And in very muggy weather in the summer, sometimes I'll go with top down, > windows up, and the AC on. I haven't tried that one yet. I do enjoy driving with the top down in the cool of the night (sometime actually cold here in southern California) with the heat on high. When it is really cold, putting the windows up is just enough to allow me to keep the top down just a little longer. When it is hot out, I like is to drive with the top up but all the windows down (including the back window). This gives the open feeling but keeps the sun off my face and neck. I also like the sound of the exhaust with the top up and that back window down. In my opinion, do what ever makes your boat float. Gus (91 BRG) >My wife and I were riding in my '97 yesterday with the top down and >she wanted to put the windows up so her hair wouldn't get so "mussed." You are supposed to be a loving husband. Put up the blasted windows already, OK? >Geeez. It's not as if she were 80. Not quite the ideal note to strike either. > I told her that to do so is a >serious violation of the convertable code of ethics. Actually, convertible owners are a pretty easy going bunch. (Somehow, my students do not seem to agree, but it is exam week next.) > Then we saw a >BMW Z3 in just such an infernal configuration. She pointed it out and >I told her that Beemer drivers are all arrogant wusses and that they >erroneously believe that they are above adhering to proper convertable >ethics. You forget to point out that they are also posers, stupid, and an instant traffic jam, but you have a point here. :) > Case closed. She wants more confirmation of my position. >What do you all say? You are sound on BMW owners, but your gallantry could still be a bit improved. Leon SignatureLeon van Dommelen ;) Bozo, the White 96 Sebring Miata ,) To reply to me, the word Miata must be in the subject. EXIT THE INTERSTATES (Jamie Jensen) I agree with Col: when he said that the driver gets less wind with the passenger window all or part way up. Your results can vary with wind conditions of course but in absence of any serious wind, that has been my experience. As far as ethics..... I prefer windows down but if the significant other wants it up, just think how much better you still look than those fools in Mustangs and 3-Series drop tops that go around all the time with the little back-side windows up. NOW THAT LOOKS STUPID! Enjoy the ride, Chris 92BB&T > >My wife and I were riding in my '97 yesterday with the top down and > >she wanted to put the windows up so her hair wouldn't get so "mussed." [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > > Leon My position? Whatever lets me drive the longest into winter with the top down. If keeping the windows up with the heater blasting lets me drive longer with the top down, so be it. Once I've put my motorcycle away for the winter, I can stay open air longer in my Miata. My brother (10 years younger w/more hair) once said to me that I had a propensity for open-top vehicles. He said "I mean look, Don, everything you own doesn't have a top--your motorcycle, your sports car, your Geo Tracker, your head......" Argh....younger brothers. Time to dump another load of triple-FG blackpower into one of his ashtrays. DonB White '91 w/mods Old veteran whose paid his dues and will drive his sports car, motorcycle, or SUV however he pleases (but the car's gotta be white and the sun's gotta gleam off my bald spot!). >I agree with Col: when he said that the driver gets less wind with the >passenger window all or part way up. Your results can vary with wind [quoted text clipped - 42 lines] >> >> Leon > I agree with Col: when he said that the driver gets less wind with the > passenger window all or part way up. Your results can vary with wind [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > those fools in Mustangs and 3-Series drop tops that go around all the > time with the little back-side windows up. NOW THAT LOOKS STUPID! I call that "The LeBaron syndrome". <snip> Signaturetooloud Remove nothing to reply... That's only acceptable with T-tops... in autumn... You might suggest she buy herself an old Camaro. Heck, I would even put the windows or top up when it was raining! Just drive faster! > My wife and I were riding in my '97 yesterday with the top down and > she wanted to put the windows up so her hair wouldn't get so "mussed." [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > ethics. Case closed. She wants more confirmation of my position. > What do you all say? > Heck, I would even put the windows or top up when it was raining! Just > drive faster! The problem I have with driving in the rain is that the water that runs sideways off the windshield onto the little "vent" windows then drips off the trailing edge of the vent windows and blows onto me. Same thing with windshield washer fluid. I had hoped that they'd fixed this problem in the M2, but my 2003 still does it. :( SignatureGrant Edwards grante Yow! .. I'll make you at an ASHTRAY!! visi.com > My wife and I were riding in my '97 yesterday with the top down and > she wanted to put the windows up so her hair wouldn't get so "mussed." [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > ethics. Case closed. She wants more confirmation of my position. > What do you all say? So what's the problem? I personally think the windows-up look is fine, and use it in cool weather, or on the freeway at 70+ mph (really cuts buffetting and the noise from trucks). Radio is a lot easier to hear with the windows up also. I've got the factory windblocker, and use than as well. With both windows and blocker up, loose paper set on the passenger seat doesn't move. I seem to recall a photo shoot in a magazine (Road & Track?) from the sixties, showing a Maserati Mistral convertible with the window-up look. If you can do it on a Maser, surely you can on a Miata. Joe Silver '99 Once upon a time when I had a Miata, I did run with the top down and the window or windows up in the following situations: 1) Highway driving on a sunny day. I was sure as hell not going to put the top up but wind noise does get annoying when you're travelling at 120km+. So, top down, both windows up, CD blasting. 2) Top down driving at -28C in a blizzard. It's still possible to drive top down so natch, it was down, but heat does present a need. If the windows are up and the windblocker up and the heaters on furnace and the fans on hurricane, the cockpit would become a little warm nest in the middle of a howling snowstorm. I used to like impressing people. 3) Self confidence. Basically I do what I like when I see the need, and to hell with what outsiders think. My image doesn't depend on other's perceptions and if I chose to run with the windows up and the top down, it's nobody's business why. But that was when I had a Miata. *snif* SignatureNora (imagine a Canadian flag here) ======================== and the Rollerskate (imagine a BLANK here, '99 silver Miata missing in action) http://www.nheh.ca/ HOME PAGE http://hobbystage.net/miata/nora/ Rollerskate http://www.nheh.ca/RATG/2003/RATG3.htm RATG III pix http://www.nheh.ca/SBFR/2003/03sbfr.htm NH Spring Run http://www.nheh.ca/FFFR/FFFR5/index.html FFFR5 pix http://www.nheh.ca/SBFR/2004/04-SRmain.htm 2004 NH spring run maps > My wife and I were riding in my '97 yesterday with the top down and > she wanted to put the windows up so her hair wouldn't get so "mussed." [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > ethics. Case closed. She wants more confirmation of my position. > What do you all say? >But that was when I had a Miata. *snif* And someday I'm sure you will, Nora. I'll go so far as to bet your next baby has already been made. Jim <a href="http://www.homestead.com/jimmer53/miatalandopening.html">Jim's Miata Web Page Thanks for the cheering up efforts, guys/gals/others. At least I attended RATG4 and got to ride in a spiffy really shiny RED Miata up and down Deals Gap and surrounding territory, relieving my Miata withdrawal symptoms. The parameters for the next Miata are being pondered on as I type. Has to be 2001 or later so the computer-key combination is there; Has to be either silver or crystal blue; Has to have a hard top and the associated Frankenstein bolts; Has to be an A/T. All the rest is optional but it would be nice if there was no leather. I have no idea how much the insurance is willing to fund. We'll see. At least we got the Forester back thanks to Boomerang 2. It's covered in fingerprint powder and grease pencil evidence marks and is being re-assembled by Subaru now. Nora (imagine a Canadian flag here) ======================== and The Rollerskate (imagine a '99 silver Miata here, MISSING IN ACTION) http://www.nheh.ca/ HOME PAGE http://hobbystage.net/miata/nora/ Rollerskate http://www.nheh.ca/RATG/2003/RATG3.htm RATG III pix http://www.nheh.ca/SBFR/2003/03sbfr.htm NH Spring Run http://www.nheh.ca/FFFR/FFFR5/index.html FFFR-5 pix http://www.nheh.ca/SBFR/2004/04-SRmain.htm M'sters spring run maps > >But that was when I had a Miata. *snif* > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > <a href="http://www.homestead.com/jimmer53/miatalandopening.html">Jim's Miata > Web Page Nora, I like your style!! Hot summers in Texas are not good on leather. Doesn't get cold enough for a hard top. JohnnyA 2004 Silver, A/T,Cloth > Thanks for the cheering up efforts, guys/gals/others. > [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > Miata > > Web Page > Nora, I like your style!! > > Hot summers in Texas are not good on leather. Doesn't get cold > enough for a hard top. Not good on leather? My '95 M is on its tenth hot midwest summer and just rolled over 101k miles. The leather looks like new yet. <snip> Signaturetooloud Remove nothing to reply... Let me rephrase that. I don't like to get into a hot leather seat! I've had both and my personal opinion is always buy cloth in hot climates. > > Nora, I like your style!! > > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > tooloud > Remove nothing to reply... > Let me rephrase that. I don't like to get into a hot leather seat! I've > had both and my personal opinion is always buy cloth in hot climates. Absolutely. Leather in winter here is cold and slippery in the twisties, and in summer it's wet and slippery in the twisties. I'd rather have the grip of cloth any time. And the top is down every time it's humanly possible. The only time it was sunny and the top up was in Death Valley in July at noon on a cool day of 115F, and even then it was the SO who wanted it up. Dave, that cat's switch must be one of the concealed ones. Check the openings at both ends... SignatureNora (imagine a Canadian flag here) ======================== and the Rollerskate (imagine a '99 silver Miata here MISSING IN ACTION) http://www.nheh.ca/ HOME PAGE http://hobbystage.net/miata/nora/ Rollerskate http://www.nheh.ca/RATG/2003/RATG3.htm RATG III pix http://www.nheh.ca/SBFR/2003/03sbfr.htm NH Spring Run http://www.nheh.ca/FFFR/FFFR5/index.html FFFR5 pix http://www.nheh.ca/SBFR/2004/04-SRmain.htm 2004 NH spring run maps >> Nora, I like your style!! >> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >Not good on leather? My '95 M is on its tenth hot midwest summer and just >rolled over 101k miles. The leather looks like new yet. Aha! A closet top-up driver! Probably never drove with the top down in his life. Not smart to betray yourself like this... Leon SignatureLeon van Dommelen ;) Bozo, the White 96 Sebring Miata ,) To reply to me, the word Miata must be in the subject. EXIT THE INTERSTATES (Jamie Jensen) >>> Nora, I like your style!! >>> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Aha! A closet top-up driver! Probably never drove with the top > down in his life. Well, I did just get around to taking the hard top off the car, but the top is down plenty. > Not smart to betray yourself like this... Eh, I've always been pretty open about the fact that I bought the Miata because of the handling, not because the top went down. If it's pleasant out and I'm going to be in the car for more than five minutes, I'll put the top down. I'm definitely not the kind of guy that puts it down in February or even March. Or, for that matter, if the temperature is over the mid-80s and I'm not on the highway. > Leon Signaturetooloud Remove nothing to reply... Dear "snif snif" (Nora) No new play toy yet ???? How sad!!! The sun and the shine are near ! Get those guys on the ball and get a Miata soon ! Bruce RED '91 > Once upon a time when I had a Miata... > > But that was when I had a Miata. *snif* Come to Florida. I'll let you borrow mine for a day or two. Yours WDK - WKiernan@ij.net >2) Top down driving at -28C in a blizzard.... I used to like >impressing people. Um, Nora... >But that was when I had a Miata. *snif* Keep looking. You will find one. :) And when the brain cells thaw, you will recognize that a white one is faster and better looking. Also looks great in blizzards. Leon SignatureLeon van Dommelen :) Bozo, the White 96 Sebring Miata .) To reply to me, the word Miata must be in the subject. EXIT THE INTERSTATES (Jamie Jensen) Um, Leon... You can't find a white Miata in a blizzard. It's like the white cat in a snowstorm. Unless you leave the lights on all the time. :-) SignatureNora (imagine a Canadian flag here) ======================== and the Rollerskate (imagine a '99 silver Miata here, MISSING IN ACTION) http://www.nheh.ca/ HOME PAGE http://hobbystage.net/miata/nora/ Rollerskate http://www.nheh.ca/RATG/2003/RATG3.htm RATG III pix http://www.nheh.ca/SBFR/2003/03sbfr.htm NH Spring Run http://www.nheh.ca/FFFR/FFFR5/index.html FFFR5 pix http://www.nheh.ca/SBFR/2004/04-SRmain.htm 2004 NH spring run maps > And when the brain cells thaw, you will recognize that a white one > is faster and better looking. Also looks great in blizzards. > > Leon >Um, Leon... > >You can't find a white Miata in a blizzard. It's like the white cat in a >snowstorm. Unless you leave the lights on all the time. :-) Wow! Talk about stealth! Leon :) SignatureLeon van Dommelen :) Bozo, the White 96 Sebring Miata .) To reply to me, the word Miata must be in the subject. EXIT THE INTERSTATES (Jamie Jensen) > You can't find a white Miata in a blizzard. It's like the white cat in a > snowstorm. Unless you leave the lights on all the time. :-) Nora, I blame you. I now have a very irritated cat. I have been searching him for an hour now and I can't find the switch. :) |
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