I'm the original OP. Thanks to all of you for your input. Since I live in
"the OC" (just barely--LA county is about 3 blocks away) I appreciated
Taylor's feedback especially. The Mazda 3 is for my son who turns 16 next
summer. My wife uses her car during the day and I'm not about to teach him
to drive on my 1990 Mustang 5.0 five speed (I'm retired). After finding the
price of 3 year old Hondas with 30,000 miles to be totally unrealistic we
decided to buy him a new car. After considerable research we did consider
the Mazda and the new Mustang (6 cylinder version not the V-8) but the Mazda
3 was cheaper and more efficient in hauling passengers (note--In California
new drivers cannot carry passengers under the age of 20 for the first
year--good law even though I first drove at 12). All of the good reviews on
the Mazda 3 were certainly a plus. But the key was that my wife's first new
car was a Mazda GLC and my son thought the Hondas wwere "girls" cars. Guess
he doesn't know about "tuners". Great!
For years I've been appalled with parents buying their just licensed kids a
new car but I broke down because the kid will have a known car well into his
first job after college and I won't have to worry about major repairs and
multiple car purchases over the next ten years. In otherwords I'm cheap!
My Mustang is 16 years old and the wife had her Taurus for 10 years before
we replaced it with a Catera.
>I'm the original OP. Thanks to all of you for your input. Since I live in
>"the OC" (just barely--LA county is about 3 blocks away) I appreciated
>Taylor's feedback especially. The Mazda 3 is for my son who turns 16 next
>summer.
I've been following this thread closely (and I haven't heard anything back from
my sister in law at the dealership).
I've been wondering: You guys who are getting in the very low 20s, what kind of
rpms are you running when this happens? If I keep my revs under about 2500, I
get over 30mpg every time. Of course it's going to be over 2500 while going
through the gears, but I'm talking about normal running speeds. 2500 in 5th
gear is about 55mph. It takes about 3500rpm to keep up on the interstate, and
that drops my mileage to about 29.
But I don't do very much real city driving. My work commute is mostly country
roads, passing through three small towns (the largest has three stop lights, the
smallest doesn't have a stop light). I drive about 70 miles a day when I'm
working.
My step-son turned 16 on Dec 31. We bought him a 2000 Chevy S10 pickup. It's
an anemic 4 cylinder with automatic. Must not have been what he wanted because
he hot-footed back to his "other" parents - without the truck.
>I'm not about to teach him
>to drive on my 1990 Mustang 5.0 five speed
Wise move.
> After finding the
>price of 3 year old Hondas with 30,000 miles to be totally unrealistic
If you think that's unrealistic, price a new one.
> After considerable research we did consider
>the Mazda and the new Mustang (6 cylinder version not the V-8)
Some friends of mine just bought a Mustang 6 for their daughter - who just
turned 14. Go figure. I bet the insurance company charges a lot more for a
Mustang, no matter how many cylinders, than it does for a Mazda (unless it's an
Rx8 * )
>even though I first drove at 12
Today I revisited the field where I first drove, at the ripe old age of three. I
was standing on the seat of a '52 Ford pickup and steering between hay bales.
Then, not today. :)
>the Mazda 3 were certainly a plus. But the key was that my wife's first new
>car was a Mazda GLC
Some friends had a '79 or '80 GLC when I was stationed in Monterey. One should
never ride in the back, lying on top of a pile of flattened boxes, with the
hatchback open, while going up a steep hill. Ask me how I know.
> and my son thought the Hondas wwere "girls" cars.
The boy has a lot to learn. The time will come when he'll want a car that the
girls like. That's when your fun really starts.
>For years I've been appalled with parents buying their just licensed kids a
>new car but I broke down because the kid will have a known car well into his
>first job after college and I won't have to worry about major repairs and
>multiple car purchases over the next ten years. In otherwords I'm cheap!
That's the same line of thought I had when I bought my daughter's first car. I
was able to find her a '97 Geo Metro with less than 30k miles on it for
wholesale. For over 6 months, everywhere we went, she drove. Rain, snow, sun,
dark, you name it, she drove it. She was so proficient, I wasn't afraid to turn
her loose to go anywhere by herself. She passed her license test and hit the
roads. 112 days later she was leaving church and was trying to get a bug to fly
out the window. While she was concentrating on that, she let her wheels drop
off the pavement and wedged the car between two trees, rendering it a total
loss.
But there was a bright side. Since the car was only two years old, I had full
coverage insurance on it. I had only paid wholesale but they paid me retail. I
was able to get a comparable car and actually pocket a little.
>the wife had her Taurus for 10 years before
>we replaced it with a Catera.
Now we're getting somewhere. I have a 10 year old Taurus that I'll sell really
cheap. After your son gets the "first crash" out of his system, give him the
Mazda.
* Rx8 - I got to drive one the last time I visited my sister in law's
dealership. If I had something like that all the time, I'd have a criminal
record. A big one. The only thing I've ever driven that runs like that is my
1100cc V-4 Honda motorcycle.
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Jack
Jeffrey Kaplan - 08 Jan 2006 04:08 GMT
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> I've been wondering: You guys who are getting in the very low 20s, what kind of
> rpms are you running when this happens? If I keep my revs under about 2500, I
> get over 30mpg every time. Of course it's going to be over 2500 while going
> through the gears, but I'm talking about normal running speeds. 2500 in 5th
> gear is about 55mph. It takes about 3500rpm to keep up on the interstate, and
> that drops my mileage to about 29.
75 MPH on the highway, in fifth gear, my 6s turns somewhere around 3500
RPM. I don't have a sixth gear. The 6s has a 3.0L V6.
> > and my son thought the Hondas wwere "girls" cars.
> The boy has a lot to learn. The time will come when he'll want a car that the
> girls like. That's when your fun really starts.
Not only that, but traditionally, Hondas, even fully stock, can really
move and maneuver. I got the '00 Protegé because it can move and
maneuver, but doesn't look like it. All else being equal, I liked
having a stealthy road rocket.

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Jack Hunt - 08 Jan 2006 04:26 GMT
>I got the '00 Protegé because it can move and
>maneuver, but doesn't look like it. All else being equal, I liked
>having a stealthy road rocket.
Today I had the privilege of pushing my '05 M3s through Deal's
Gap (think Mt. Hamilton but in the East). It's the soul of a Miata in the body
of a station wagon. I had to let off because my wife was getting sick.
Deal's Gap is mostly a place for motorcyclists to wear out tires and tear up
equipment, but a few times a year the Miata club shows up there.
http://www.tailofthedragon.com/dragon.html Scroll down, you can see a picture
of more Miatas in one spot than most dealerships can claim.
--
Jack
Dave Combs - 08 Jan 2006 04:46 GMT
All too kool! Old guys don't lose their zest just their ...
> >I got the '00 Protegé because it can move and
> >maneuver, but doesn't look like it. All else being equal, I liked
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Jeffrey Kaplan - 08 Jan 2006 16:50 GMT
It is alleged that Jack Hunt claimed:
> Today I had the privilege of pushing my '05 M3s through Deal's
> Gap (think Mt. Hamilton but in the East). It's the soul of a Miata in the body
> of a station wagon. I had to let off because my wife was getting sick.
I would have loved to run through the Gap back when I had a bike...

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Jack Hunt - 08 Jan 2006 18:34 GMT
>I would have loved to run through the Gap back when I had a bike...
So do it now. If you'll wait until late spring this year, I can provide you
with a place to stay while you do it. At least, we hope to be open.
http://www.huntslodge.com
We're primarily geared toward motorcycles but we can make room for a car or two.
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Jeffrey Kaplan - 09 Jan 2006 16:58 GMT
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> >I would have loved to run through the Gap back when I had a bike...
>
> So do it now. If you'll wait until late spring this year, I can provide you
Can't. I never did it when I had a bike because I can't afford the
time. That was true then, and unfortunately, it's still true now.

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Dave Combs - 08 Jan 2006 04:44 GMT
Thats exactly why my Mustang is an LX instead of a GT with all the spoilers,
etc.
> It is alleged that Jack Hunt claimed:
>
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> maneuver, but doesn't look like it. All else being equal, I liked
> having a stealthy road rocket.
Jeffrey Kaplan - 08 Jan 2006 16:51 GMT
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> Thats exactly why my Mustang is an LX instead of a GT with all the spoilers,
> etc.
But it's still a Mustang. Once you go for the sports car, your stealth
is blown and you may as well flaunt it. :)

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