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Car Forum / Mercedes-Benz Cars / January 2007

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Ultra Low Sulfur diesel starting issues and gasket issues

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heav - 04 Jan 2007 17:39 GMT
I was filling up my '82  300 TDT yesterday and the tanker driver was
filling up the station I was at at the same time.

I went over and asked him if he knew if the Ultra Low Sulfur diesel
made cars harder to start.  He said it did and that the company gives
them bulletins about it and how to get their trucks to start and
precautions they have to take so they don't get stranded when they
deliver to cold places.

I told him that he was the first oil company guy to admit that there
were cold starting problems with the new fuel, that none of the higher
ups I called would admit it.

He said that was par for the course and he wasn't suprised.

The issue is higher flash point, just as I suspected.

And the reason the new fuel is eating your fuel lines and he told me
they just got an advisory that it is eating the "O" rings out of
injectors is that they are trying various additives, probably like the
toulene someone on the list was recommending, to raise the flash point
of the fuel.

So they are testing additives on the public's vehicles to try and find
something that will raise the flash point but not dissolve all your
seals and they haven't succeeded on either count yet.

Paul Fretheim
Tiger - 04 Jan 2007 19:50 GMT
Heh... same ol same ol when the diesel was reformulated last time...
Dori A Schmetterling - 04 Jan 2007 21:51 GMT
Yeah yeah.. diesel cars standed everywhere in Europe, land of ULS diesel.
One just trips over them...

DAS

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> Heh... same ol same ol when the diesel was reformulated last time...
trader4@optonline.net - 04 Jan 2007 22:59 GMT
> Yeah yeah.. diesel cars standed everywhere in Europe, land of ULS diesel.
> One just trips over them...
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> > Heh... same ol same ol when the diesel was reformulated last time...

I've also heard that the newer fuel results in less MPG.   I had
noticed that my 80 300SD, which always got right around 26MPG, is now
getting around 22.   In fact, I had noticed this and was looking for
leaks, etc.   But now I'm thinking maybe it's the new fuel?   Anyone
else check and notice any MPG change?
heav - 05 Jan 2007 05:38 GMT
Tell the oil companies here to get the right additives then, because
they are doing something wrong here.

It is difficult to be sarcastic in a second language.  Nice job!

Please do not imagine that I am not aware of the fact that European
standards have required ULS for some time.  So when did you last use
LSD?  Perhaps you have not had the opportunity for comparison?

Paul

> Yeah yeah.. diesel cars standed everywhere in Europe, land of ULS diesel.
> One just trips over them...
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> > Heh... same ol same ol when the diesel was reformulated last time...
Dori A Schmetterling - 05 Jan 2007 06:39 GMT
Thanks ever so.

DAS

For direct contact replace nospam with schmetterling
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> It is difficult to be sarcastic in a second language.  Nice job!
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greek_philosophizer - 05 Jan 2007 18:52 GMT
> It is difficult to be sarcastic in a second language.  Nice job!

Dori is a Brit.

American English would not qualify as a second language,
more like a first and a half language.

.
Dori A Schmetterling - 07 Jan 2007 23:43 GMT
<Broad grin>

DAS

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> American English would not qualify as a second language,
> more like a first and a half language.
>
> .
benz831@earthlink.net - 12 Jan 2007 08:50 GMT
I have noticed my 300d getting less miles to the gal,
I only noticed the low sulphur sign oin the pump about a month ago.
I guess I wasn't paying attention, but I didn't see one on the pump at the
texaco, are they still selling non low sulphur diesel?
I am about ready to start cooking my own biodiesel on the stove to protect
poor old emily's injector pump,

> I was filling up my '82  300 TDT yesterday and the tanker driver was
> filling up the station I was at at the same time.
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>
> Paul Fretheim
heav - 12 Jan 2007 14:36 GMT
It depends where you are.  In California they switched to ULSD totally
last June.  Some time this year the whole country has to switch so the
car manufacturers can start selling diesel cars with catalytic
converters.

Paul

<benz...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> I have noticed my 300d getting less miles to the gal,
> I only noticed the low sulphur sign oin the pump about a month ago.
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> >
> > Paul Fretheim
greek_philosophizer - 12 Jan 2007 19:22 GMT
The Feds only mandate 80% of production be ULSD until 2010 or something
like that.

So if you want to stink go looking for the other 20 precent.

.

> It depends where you are.  In California they switched to ULSD totally
> last June.  Some time this year the whole country has to switch so the
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> > >
> > > Paul Fretheim
 
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