Hi Fella's
See if your great wealth of knowledge can sort this one out!
I've got a 1992 merc 190e 1800cc petrol inj saloon 124 model 80,000miles
an absolute peach with full history
When I start it up from cold it starts ok ... but when after a few seconds
as the engine should settle to what should be a fast idle....it dies ..the
revs just drop so it stalls... if you pump the gas pedal to keep it going
the engine feels as though its running weak but when the revs get to 2000
its ok.....when the engine gets warm its ok ...the car will tick over ..the
car drives faultlessly up and down the revs when warm or cold though?
The mixture and emissions are ok
changed the temp sender
changed the idle air valve
checked the cold start injector
changed the air metering unit and bottom rubber housing (incase it was
dragging air in)
changed the fuel inlet metering valve on the injection head
changed the fuel injection head unit
checked the fuel pressure's ok
changed the pressure regulator
changed the idle control unit (behind the battery)
changed the ECU (behind the battery)
changed the spark plugs
changed the plug leads
removed the inlet manifold changed the gasket and all the associated gaskets
on the rebuild in case of air leaks
changed all the air bleed pipes
where do i go from here????? apart from selling it ....E- Bay 1700462913
Take A Guess - 18 Jan 2007 00:08 GMT
The problem is in the transition from the cold start system to the
regular operating air fuel ratio. That intermediate step means running
the still cold motor in a somewhat enriched state. Adequate fuel
enrichment during warm up is missing. But let's first look elsewhere.
Has anyone checked the engine intake air warm up - after the air flow
sensor and before the throttle some air is diverted to the cylinder head
or exhaust manifold to be warmed up so the air fuel mixture can be
leaner than it would be with cold air. If this "stove" isn't working as
it should be the ECU, getting its engine temp signal from another
sensor, will lean the mixture expecting the intake air to be warmed but
it may not be warm at all so the air fuel ratio will then be too lean.
There may be a temperature sensor at the air flow sensor which is
sending a false signal. (I don't KNOW if there is such a sensor on your
motor, but it's worth a look.)
You've certainly invested a lot of money in this problem, hope these
ideas help.
Tim Dent - 18 Jan 2007 12:05 GMT
Hi thanks for the info
but unfortunately this model of injection system (its very basic)
has the airflow meter directly above the throttle butterfly , the airflow
meter flap controls the fuel metering via an arm and plunger directly
cconnected, there is no facility to take warm air from above the exhaust
manifold like most cars.........so back to the drawing board....ha ha
> The problem is in the transition from the cold start system to the regular
> operating air fuel ratio. That intermediate step means running the still
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> You've certainly invested a lot of money in this problem, hope these ideas
> help.
Josh - 19 Jan 2007 18:44 GMT
How about the O2 sensor on the exhaust? This sensor is inactive until it
heats up (about two or three minutes after cold starting). These sensors
can send a false-positive in that they generate a signal, but it is the
wrong signal at the wrong time.
Josh
Jens - 20 Jan 2007 13:57 GMT
When cold (oxygen sensor not yet warm, the engine control is operating
in open loop mode, i.e. it will regulate the mixture according to
various sensor inputs but without feedback from the oxygen sensor.
The basic mixture is adjusted by a sealed (plastic seal) adjustment
screw, The screw is located next to the throttle body and is accessible
through the long tube ("tower") from the top of the air filter
enclosure. The screw is spring loaded and must be pushed down to be
adjusted. It is factory preset to provide close to correct mixture
without ECU control, and should normally never be adjusted afterwards.
In fact this is how the non-electronic injection worked... the ECU with
EHA (ElectroHydraulic Actuator is a later add-on from K-Jetronic to KE
Jetronic (or CIS to CIS-E as Mercedes calls it). The mechanically
adjusted mixture will then be fine adjusted by the EHA according to
input from the ECU.
In your case, the mixture is obviously not correct in open loop mode,
and this adjustment could be the suspect (maybe someone adjusted it?).
Another cause could be a vacuum leak, but that would also be the case
in close loop mode when engine is warm, and it appears as if you
already checked this.
A fault in the EHA could create similar symptoms (if it is somehow
sticks near neutral position).
And another thing I can think of is the potentiometer, which gives the
Air Mass Sensor position input to the ECU. But that would probably also
give even worse problems when warm.