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Car Forum / Mercedes-Benz Cars / February 2007

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'78 W123 240D

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randallbrink@mac.com - 26 Jan 2007 13:53 GMT
I have 240D engine shelled from ingestion of foriegn object and need a
new engine. Two questions:

1. Are OEM 616 diesels available from MB, and;
2. What should one pay for a good used engine?

I know the last question is difficult, but in this case the propsective
engine is from a crashed 240D that is in salvage at a highly regarded
Mercedes-Benz shop. I have not yet received a price quote from the shop
and am trying to get an idea as to typical price, in order to evaluate
whether or not it is feasible to replace the engine.

All assistance will be appreciated.
Richard Sexton - 26 Jan 2007 18:34 GMT
>I have 240D engine shelled from ingestion of foriegn object and need a
>new engine. Two questions:
>
>1. Are OEM 616 diesels available from MB, and;

Yeah they're about 6K.

>2. What should one pay for a good used engine?

$500-$1500

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randallbrink@mac.com - 11 Feb 2007 20:02 GMT
> In article <1169819629.559621.270...@l53g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
>
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> 1970 280SE, 72 280SE | Home pages:http://rs79.vrx.net
> 633CSi 250SE/C 300SD |http://aquaria.nethttp://killi.net

Yes, this is what I am finding. I am tempted to go with the new one,
just because the car itself is very low total miles, and would be
worth it in the long run.

Thanks very much for the information.

Randall Brink
benz831@earthlink.net - 11 Feb 2007 20:57 GMT
If you are around Texas and get rid of it let me know,
if you keep it, I would put a 300 D in it,
I have had both 240's and 300's favor the 300 myself.
A 280 gas motor would fit that as well, but would need a little conversion
plus you would have to get a motor and tranny .
Don't bother rebuilding the motor tho is the bottom line, they are too
plentiful and just about indestructable to start playing with a damaged
block.
A good junk yard will let you have one for about 150.00
I knew one in Ca. that would install it for an extra 100.00
Jim

> > In article <1169819629.559621.270...@l53g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
> >
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> Randall Brink
Tiger - 26 Jan 2007 19:29 GMT
Easiest is get a used good engine. Otherwise, rebuild it. Rebuilt engine can
be had for about $2700 plus core. Rebuilding is cheaper.

Depending on the damage... if only cylinder sleeve is bad... get it
resleaved, reuse old piston with new rings... and have valvebody rebuilt...
Any competent machine shop can do it for you. That's assuming you can take
out the engine.

Otherwise, you are better off used engine and have someone put it in.
randallbrink@mac.com - 11 Feb 2007 20:06 GMT
> Easiest is get a used good engine. Otherwise, rebuild it. Rebuilt engine can
> be had for about $2700 plus core. Rebuilding is cheaper.
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>
> Otherwise, you are better off used engine and have someone put it in.

The problem with this one is that some idiot put after-market glow
plugs in. The wires were too long and, purportedly (I haven't actually
looked into the cylinder since the head was removed) the wire ends
broke, went into the head and (somehow) found their way into the lower
end of the engine and caused irrepairable damage. Frankly, I do not
know how it is possible that both the upper and lower was damaged--I
am developing a theory that the damage may have been separate
problems; howewver, a reliable shop has declared the engine shelled,
and thus these questions.

It is a true shame on a 240D with only 68K to have something like this
happen.

Many thanks for the advice, information and assistance.
Richard Sexton - 12 Feb 2007 13:36 GMT
>The problem with this one is that some idiot put after-market glow
>plugs in. The wires were too long and, purportedly (I haven't actually
>looked into the cylinder since the head was removed) the wire ends
>broke, went into the head and (somehow) found their way into the lower
>end of the engine and caused irrepairable damage.

Huh?

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-->> T.G. Lambach <<-- - 26 Jan 2007 19:48 GMT
It may be easier to find a 300D engine than a 240 because (i) 240s are
favored for other uses which drains their limited inventory and (ii)
there were more 300D cars imported. However, I recall that you love 240s
so how about a rebuilt motor?

http://www.mercedesengines.net/products.asp?cat=23

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randallbrink@mac.com - 11 Feb 2007 20:08 GMT
On Jan 26, 11:48 am, "-->> T.G. Lambach <<--" <"T.G. Lambach at
NoHamorSpamcomcast.net"> wrote:
> It may be easier to find a 300D engine than a 240 because (i) 240s are
> favored for other uses which drains their limited inventory and (ii)
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> © 2007 T.G.Lambach. Publication in any form requires prior written
> permission.

The problem I'm encountering now, is that I haven't the time to deal
with this now that it has become a problem beyond the removal of the
head and dealing with the #1 cylinder issue(s). I am tempted now to
try and forget this unfortunate and senseless episode and look for
another mint-condition 240D.

Thanks a lot for the help and advice.

Randall Brink
 
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