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Car Forum / Mercedes-Benz Cars / February 2007

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peachy - 05 Feb 2007 06:25 GMT
has anyone had or known of any problems with mercedes ml front brakes
locking up the front wheels. I have a 2000 model ml and the front
brakes keep locking up. Have fitted new discs and pads but as soon as
you depress the pedal the wheels lock up and will not free off when
the pedal is released.

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- - 05 Feb 2007 13:49 GMT
A malfunction with the BAS system, perhaps?
Tiger - 05 Feb 2007 15:08 GMT
It is probably a sign of binding caliper... you need to replace the caliper.
trader4@optonline.net - 06 Feb 2007 12:33 GMT
> It is probably a sign of binding caliper... you need to replace the caliper.

Yes, sounds like either bad calipers or else something was not
assembled correctly when you installed the new pads.   If calipers are
on the way out, then failing after new rotors and pads is common,
because that's when the corroded piston gets pushed all the wa back
in.
weelliott@gmail.com - 06 Feb 2007 16:50 GMT
On Feb 6, 7:33 am, "trad...@optonline.net" <trad...@optonline.net>
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> > It is probably a sign of binding caliper... you need to replace the caliper.
>
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> because that's when the corroded piston gets pushed all the wa back
> in.

It would seem strange that both front wheel swould lock up because of
a binding caliper. For both to fail simultaneously this soon seems
really strange to me. If I am reading this correctly, and BOTH front
wheels are locking up and not releasing, I'd suspect something else.
In older cars I'd go with a bad proportioning valve, but I'm not sure
the M class has them. However, if it is only one wheel, then I'd go
with the caliper diagnosis.   just my two cents.

Bill
Richard Sexton - 06 Feb 2007 17:13 GMT
>On Feb 6, 7:33 am, "trad...@optonline.net" <trad...@optonline.net>
>wrote:
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>the M class has them. However, if it is only one wheel, then I'd go
>with the caliper diagnosis.   just my two cents.

It could be the soft brake lines. They have a date code on them. What
does it say ? 5 yrs or older means replace them right now.

When they get old they can swell, and accept hydraulic pressure but
they won't release it and the calipers stay "on".

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weelliott@gmail.com - 07 Feb 2007 02:19 GMT
> When they get old they can swell, and accept hydraulic pressure but
> they won't release it and the calipers stay "on".

That was the first thing that came to mid. That happened on a '75 2002
I had. But I figured materials technology would have progressed far
enough by now that lines should last longer than 7 years. Especially
on a Mercedes. That seems really short. Oh well.
Richard Sexton - 07 Feb 2007 03:16 GMT
>> When they get old they can swell, and accept hydraulic pressure but
>> they won't release it and the calipers stay "on".
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>enough by now that lines should last longer than 7 years. Especially
>on a Mercedes. That seems really short. Oh well.

Nah, rubber swells. And it's still the thing to use. Just change 'em
on schedule and you should be ok.

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Paul Elliot - 16 Feb 2007 22:05 GMT
>>> When they get old they can swell, and accept hydraulic pressure but
>>> they won't release it and the calipers stay "on".
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> Nah, rubber swells. And it's still the thing to use. Just change 'em
> on schedule and you should be ok.

IF the system is still a vacuum actuated one, check the vacuum check
valve on the booster, especially if there are separate valves for front
and rear.

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kcal - 20 Feb 2007 07:26 GMT
question what would be the cause and effect if the caliper was left as
is for some time ie how long can it be used in this state (curious

"trader4" wrote
> > It is probably a sign of binding caliper... you need to
> replace the caliper.
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> back
> in.

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trader4@optonline.net - 20 Feb 2007 14:14 GMT
> question what would be the cause and effect if the caliper was left as
> is for some time ie how long can it be used in this state (curious)

Causes have already been suggested.   As to how long it can be used in
this state:

"as soon as you depress the pedal the wheels lock up and will not free
off when
the pedal is released. "

the answer to that should be obvious.   It shouldn't be used at all,
unless maybe you were fleeing a volcano about to explode.

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Tiger - 21 Feb 2007 15:32 GMT
It will heat up your rotor unitl hot orange. Warp your rotor... cook your
brake pads... may start a fire  on rubber parts if hot enough... and as
usual... smokes coming out of your wheelwell.
 
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