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Car Forum / Mercedes-Benz Cars / April 2007

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MAF 98 ML320

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Uncle Vinnie - 17 Apr 2007 22:08 GMT
Hi,

Error code advises that the MAF is no good.  Dealer cost $400 plus 1 Hr
install.  Bosh replacements on eBay are $230.  Is Bosch a good replacement,
is this easy to install???

I have testing tools, etc.. just screwdrivers, etc!

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Vinnie

-->> T.G. Lambach <<-- - 17 Apr 2007 23:44 GMT
Easily installed, I'd buy on line: www.autohausaz.com or
www.thebenzbin.com etc.
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Tiger - 18 Apr 2007 00:18 GMT
$200 at autohausaz... Bosch is original equipment. However, before you
replace it... I would suggest you clean the inside of MAS with CRC MAS
cleaner available at Pep Boys... and see if it makes a difference. Alot of
time, it needs to be cleaned.
Uncle Vinnie - 27 Apr 2007 15:49 GMT
Thanks Tiger... ordered, along with a new air filter... 5 minutes, done...!

Thank you!

> $200 at autohausaz... Bosch is original equipment. However, before you
> replace it... I would suggest you clean the inside of MAS with CRC MAS
> cleaner available at Pep Boys... and see if it makes a difference.
> Alot of time, it needs to be cleaned.

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me - 18 Apr 2007 01:32 GMT
> Hi,
>
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>
> I have testing tools, etc.. just screwdrivers, etc!

I suggest cleaning the MAF sensor wire with electronic contact cleaner
first (I use CRC brand on a q-tip at every "B" service interval). The
only part I have had trouble with are the anti-tamper torx screws that
hold the sensor in the housing. You can either purchase the bits or
remove them carefully with small vice-grips and replace them with a
reasonable screw.
Uncle Vinnie - 18 Apr 2007 12:22 GMT
Thank you!!

Where can I find inx on how to get to it...????

Thanks again!

>> Hi,
>>
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> remove them carefully with small vice-grips and replace them with a
> reasonable screw.

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Vinnie

me - 18 Apr 2007 14:41 GMT
> Thank you!!
>
> Where can I find inx on how to get to it...????
>
> Thanks again!

I do not own an ML. I do own and E430 and an SLK320.

The SLK320's MAF Sensor is at the center rear of the engine under the
air cleaner on top/behind the intake manifold.

The E430's MAF is in the cold air manifold intake on the left front of
the engine. I suspect this is where yours is located.

It is a cylindrical plastic piece with a plastic screen on one end. It
will be located in line with the cold air intake into the engine
somewhere. It has an electrical connector plugged into it.

A cursory check on google reveals: (you will need to register to view
the .pdf files)
http://www.benzworld.org/forums/w163-m-class/1273980-mass-air-flow-maf-sensor-re
placement.html


A good explanation of cleaning the MAF on a CLK430
http://www.panchogun.com/FVWebPhotos/FV-Cars-CLK-Repair-AIR-MAF-5x100.jpg

Wolfgang's page seems very good for general information about the ML
http://www.whnet.com/4x4/
Tiger - 18 Apr 2007 14:44 GMT
It is not hard to find it... somewhere between the air filter box and the
engine duct... You have to take it off the ducts from both side to clean it.

Be very careful to clean with q-tip... wire is very thin and fragile and
will break easily. CRC is really powerful cleaner.
Uncle Vinnie - 18 Apr 2007 15:34 GMT
Found it.. plain as day once you know what you are looking for!  Thank you!
Is it my imagination or is this no more than a five minute job- remove the
old, put in the new... seems too easy....

98ML has 115000 miles on it, never replaced, so I will get a new one from
autohaus...

Dealer wanted $400 plus one hour labor.. 'testing'....

What else do they do in that 'hour'????

can't be this simple, can it???

> It is not hard to find it... somewhere between the air filter box and
> the engine duct... You have to take it off the ducts from both side
> to clean it.
> Be very careful to clean with q-tip... wire is very thin and fragile
> and will break easily. CRC is really powerful cleaner.

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B'rgds,

Vinnie

me - 18 Apr 2007 16:44 GMT
> Found it.. plain as day once you know what you are looking for!
> Thank you! Is it my imagination or is this no more than a five
> minute job- remove the old, put in the new... seems too easy....

Until you try to take off the torx screws =:^o

> 98ML has 115000 miles on it, never replaced, so I will get a new one
> from autohaus...

There have been a lot of discussions on replacement cost and what
brand to buy. Search the web, highest cost does not necessarily mean
better quality.

> Dealer wanted $400 plus one hour labor.. 'testing'....
>
> What else do they do in that 'hour'????

C'mon they can hardly afford gas for the ski boat.

> can't be this simple, can it???

Yes it can.

I clean mine when I detect any hesitation. I take it apart, spray CRC
on a q-tip an lightly rub the wire, then reinstall. Takes about 20
minutes in the SLK, and about 10 on the E430. Usually a good idea to
blow out the air filter(s) with compressed air, or replace it at the
same time.
Uncle Vinnie - 18 Apr 2007 17:22 GMT
Ah, those screws! Air filter is right there, correct?

What about an O2 sensor, easy to do??  Dealer suggested this as well.. what
a laundry list...I'd like to do as much as I can.. simple stuff...

>> Found it.. plain as day once you know what you are looking for!
>> Thank you! Is it my imagination or is this no more than a five
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> blow out the air filter(s) with compressed air, or replace it at the
> same time.

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B'rgds,

Vinnie

Guenter Scholz - 18 Apr 2007 17:37 GMT
>Ah, those screws! Air filter is right there, correct?
>
>What about an O2 sensor, easy to do??  Dealer suggested this as well.. what
>a laundry list...I'd like to do as much as I can.. simple stuff...

    Absolutely,  make sure you let the exhaust heat up first....
remember it's probably rusted in there pretty well and heat helps a lot!
I bought a cheap Bosch Mustang O2 sensor which was identical to my 300E.  Check
for alternatives to your MB O2 sensor... you may have to do a little
splicing of wires ... no big deal though and it can save you $100.

Jack up the side of the car to get easy access to it.  You'll probably find it
right after the catalytic converter... looks like a spark plug

cheers, guenter

>>> Found it.. plain as day once you know what you are looking for!
>>> Thank you! Is it my imagination or is this no more than a five
[quoted text clipped - 24 lines]
>> blow out the air filter(s) with compressed air, or replace it at the
>> same time.
me - 18 Apr 2007 19:23 GMT
> Ah, those screws! Air filter is right there, correct?
>
> What about an O2 sensor, easy to do??  Dealer suggested this as
> well.. what a laundry list...I'd like to do as much as I can..
> simple stuff...

I would not change the O2 sensors for the sake of changing them. Only
if it was throwing codes (I think PO150 &/ PO155). I believe there are
four O2 sensors on your exhaust system, two in front of the cats and
two after.

My guess is that there might be a chrysler O2 sensor that would be an
exact match :)
Tiger - 18 Apr 2007 20:40 GMT
I agree... don't change them unless you know they are bad. With an OBD2
scanner, you can see the values of the O2 sensors putting out... the first
one would move like crazy... with quick varying readings at idle or even
accelerating at idle.

The second O2 sensor would barely budge... change is real slow... you have
to kinda hold the RPM for a while to see it change... if this is so, it is
good..

When O2 sensor goes bad, you will get 0 reading... when that do happen, you
have to change them in a pair... not one at a time.
 
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