I think the point is/was the enduring firsts of the Ferrari/M Schumacher
combo, no... :-)
DAS
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> But is the comment about "least badly out-run" an American/Canadian view?
> Seems like Renault is too unfamiliar car brand to you, still they won both
> the drivers' and constructors' championship title for the two previous
> years! (I've never had a Renault and likely never will but they should be
> recogniced to their real achievements).
> Lewis is a gread driver no doubt about that but we should not
> underestimate the importance of a brilliant car. He himself admitted
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> previous years! (I've never had a Renault and likely never will but they
> should be recogniced to their real achievements).
You are right, of course, but I was thinking more of the early 00's.
Renaults were for many years imported to Canada as were Peugeot, Fiat,
Alfa, Vauxhall, Anglia/Cortina, Borgward, Humber, DKW, &c &c &c, (even a
Taunus or two) but these have all been swept away by the Japanese.
If, 30-40yrs ago, a young man wanted to have a car, but didn't want the
family Chevrolet Biscayne, Pontiac Laurentian, Ford Custom or another
American clunker, he scraped up his $ from his part time job and bought
a small European car. Two of my friends each had Renault Dauphines (or,
rather, they had the parts from four Dauphines between them), my father
had a Peugeot 504 (until his son rolled it), my sister a Fiat, and I a
Vauxhall.
It would be an interesting question to see whether there are, in 2007,
more Renaults or more Ferraris on N. American roads. I am 100% certain
there are more Ferraris than Borgwards and Simcas combined.
There are dozens of reasons why these cars (the ones still manufactured)
are no longer available in N. Amer. and I suspect that there have been
Economics and business PhDs written on the subject, and I am sure that
we N. Americans are poorer for this lack of diversity of choice.
John M
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Dori A Schmetterling - 15 Jul 2007 21:41 GMT
With some of them the quality and safety may not have been up to scratch...
?...
Borgwards and Simcas are rather ancient now. In the UK at least I bet there
are more Ferraris around now...
DAS
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Richard Sexton - 17 Jul 2007 04:31 GMT
As a formet Fiat owner I can tell you why there's none left in Canada
in one word: rust.
>With some of them the quality and safety may not have been up to scratch...
>?...
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Dori A Schmetterling - 17 Jul 2007 17:06 GMT
Indeed! In the late 70s -- at the height of Fiat Group rust -- a friend
owned an Alfasud. Typically Alfa. Nice looking, great drive... but a rust
bucket. Wasn't even that old. Rumours abounded that they came off the
assembly line with rust...
A little while ago a major UK newspaper ran a feature on Alfa Romeo,
interviewing a number of owners, who were all fans. The upshot was you
should have it only when under warranty and if prepared to see it spend
significant time in the workshop...
In recent years when on holiday in Italy for a fortnight I managed to get
Avis to guarantee me an Alfa Romeo 147 with a 1.9 turbodiesel engine.
Lovely motor -- smartest-looking car in its class, I reckon. Wouldn't risk
owning it, though. While much better quality now it still suffers from high
depreciation in the UK.
Going to Italy again next week and hoping to get an Italian car. Have to
call Avis and remind them...
DAS
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