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1982 240d

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fivejayz@bellsouth.net - 10 Jul 2007 20:20 GMT
Any assistance would be appreciated. Driving down the highway, stated
loosing power, car died, will not restart. Pulled pri. fuel filter,
appeared ok, pulled glow plugs and all are working. BUT, the glow
plugs are dry when I pulled them after cranking the car. Any
suggestions?? Thanks.
cognite tute - 10 Jul 2007 21:00 GMT
> Any assistance would be appreciated. Driving down the highway, stated
> loosing power, car died, will not restart. Pulled pri. fuel filter,
> appeared ok, pulled glow plugs and all are working. BUT, the glow
> plugs are dry when I pulled them after cranking the car. Any
> suggestions?? Thanks.

Station put gasoline in diesel tank.   Car ran for about 60 miles died.

same symptoms

mechanic replace all filters, drained tank, purged all lines.

runs better than before.

gas station paid $440 for repairs.

j.
-->> T.G. Lambach <<-- - 11 Jul 2007 00:13 GMT
Any air bubbles in the fuel lines? If so check the fuel line hoses
(engine and tank) for cracks that could allow air to be drawn into the
fuel system. The hand primer pump is another suspect. Air compresses so
the injection pump can't achieve the 1,800 - 2,000 psi nozzle opening
pressures needed to run the motor.

You checked the primary spin on metal can filter, how about the
secondary fuel filter? That's the small, clear plastic one down by the
fuel priming hand pump. If that's OK then there's a fuel pick up screen
inside the fuel tank.

But before you go to the fuel tank check if the problem really is fuel
starvation by cracking open one high pressure line to a fuel injector at
the injection pump - just needs to be loosened a turn - if there's a
leak when the motor is cranked then there's fuel OR, if no leak, lack of
fuel at the injectors is proven. Afterward, just SNUG that connection
tight until there's no leak AVOID over tightening its compression fitting.

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fivejayz@bellsouth.net - 18 Jul 2007 16:17 GMT
On Jul 10, 7:13 pm, "-->> T.G. Lambach <<--" <"T.G. Lambach at
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> Any air bubbles in the fuel lines? If so check the fuel line hoses
> (engine and tank) for cracks that could allow air to be drawn into the
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Thanks for the reply. Sorry its taken me so long to reply. I had
checked all fuel lines, pri. & sec. fuel filters. used hand pump to
bleed air. Loosened fuel line going into injector pump, pump all air
out until all fuel. Loosened one line at a time at each injector and
cranked eng. All i get is a small amount of fuel, not very much press.
at all. After tightening everything back up and cranking eng. once in
a while it acts like it wants to start, alittle smoke and the exhaust
manifold a little warm. I can't help but think the injector pump will
not build up enough press. to open the injectors. I hate to sink a
pump rebuild into the car.
Doug - 19 Jul 2007 08:15 GMT
>On Jul 10, 7:13 pm, "-->> T.G. Lambach <<--" <"T.G. Lambach at
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>not build up enough press. to open the injectors. I hate to sink a
>pump rebuild into the car.

I had this problem.
It was due to one of two causes (or a combination thereof).
The piston seal on the hand priming pump was leaking, allowing loss of
fuel prime. Also, the rubber flex hose fuel line coming from the
bottom of the fuel tank was rotted.

I would not be quick to condemn the injector pump.

Doug
fivejayz@bellsouth.net - 23 Jul 2007 21:54 GMT
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Doug, when you had the rotted fuel line didn't you leak fuel on the
ground? I have no leaks. I even pulled the spin on fuel filter off,
cranked the engine, and had fuel being pumped out. There wasn't a lot
of pressure but it was a constant flow of fuel. I don't want to say
its the injector pump. I haven't worked much with diesels. It's always
been gas engines. Thanks for any assistance.
Doug - 24 Jul 2007 06:50 GMT
>> >On Jul 10, 7:13 pm, "-->> T.G. Lambach <<--" <"T.G. Lambach at
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>its the injector pump. I haven't worked much with diesels. It's always
>been gas engines. Thanks for any assistance.

There was no real leak from that rubber fuel line that screws into the
bottom of the tank (with a brass fitting pressed onto its end).
However, it was slightly damp with fuel. I suspect that my main
problem was the leaking shaft seal on the hand pump. Have you
checked/replaced that?

Have you checked the injector pump start of delivery timing?
The procedure is a bit complicated but it is outlined in the Haynes
Mercedes-Benz diesel manual.

Other than that, I suspect that I'd be willing to pay for an hour of
diagnostic labor charges at your local M-B repair shop before I spent
hundred of $$$ on a new or rebuilt injector pump.

Doug
fivejayz@bellsouth.net - 26 Jul 2007 19:55 GMT
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82 240d IP timing

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Pulled my IP to replace it. Not sure about the pointer for the timing
degrees on balancer. Not like other engines I've worked with (GM).
Doesn't have a pointer that I can see.
Got someone to explain the bubble method for the IP timing.
Also, the IP drive gear on front has a scribe mark; is this used for
timing??
 
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