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Car Forum / Mercedes-Benz Cars / August 2007

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Running a 300SDL WITHOUT the klima relay

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mdibiofuel@gmail.com - 31 Jul 2007 02:15 GMT
1987 300SDL 240,000 miles.
My wife had the unfortunate klima relay failure while driving down the
highway.  The
AC compressor began to seize up -- the clutch was very engages, and
the serpentine
tore itself to shreds after she accelerated after a tollbooth.  For a
long time the AC hasn't worked
and we don't care.  But she was some bummed to be trapped in 95F in
the sun waiting for AAA --
the towtruck operator took pity and replaced the belt (I had a spare
in the trunk) but didn't fix the
real problem: a stuck clutch on a frozen compressor.  She made it home
with the belt riding hot over the stalled compressor pulley -- I can't
blame the new belt, it got her and the kids home over 100 miles
of varied driving.  The belt sizzled when I pushed it with my finger.

So the next morning I go out to see what's up -- I start the car and
immediately see (and hear) the compressor laboring and spinning the
clutch and pulley much more slowly than the other accessories on the
belt.

I pulled fuse #5 to see if I could free the clutch -- and it
immediately let go and the care breathed a sigh of relief as the stuck
compressor was loosed from the clutch and pulley and the belt began to
spin properly on the unclutched pulley.  I put fuse #5 back in, and
the clutch remained still unstuck, a good thing but puzzling.

I removed the KLIMA relay after reading a bit.  I don't want AC.  If I
could, I'd take it right out of the accessory belt path and use a
shorter belt, but before I go that far I want to disable the clutch so
that it /NEVER/ siezes up again.  I wonder if I can run the car
without the KLIMA relay.  Any thoughts?  I'd like to just leave the
KLIMA relay out so the clutch /NEVER/ gets juiced and locked to the
frozen compressor again....

Any thoughts would be appreciated.
-->> T.G. Lambach <<-- - 31 Jul 2007 07:47 GMT
Can the clutch's electrical connection be disconnected at the compressor?
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mdibiofuel@gmail.com - 31 Jul 2007 13:29 GMT
On Jul 31, 2:47 am, "-->> T.G. Lambach <<--" <"T.G. Lambach at
NoHamorSpamcomcast.net"> wrote:
> Can the clutch's electrical connection be disconnected at the compressor?
> --
> ? 2007 T.G.Lambach. Publication in any form requires prior written
> permission.

Yes, but I can't see it from the top, and the bottom shroud is a
really greasy thing to remove from the bottom of the engine (recent
biodiesel leak, now fixed...)
I wondered if pulling the KLIMA would be a less dirty way of disabling
the AC clutch.  Where is the electrical connection on the compressor
-- is it down low underneath?  I can't seem to locate it.

Thanks.
Tiger - 31 Jul 2007 14:42 GMT
Shine a good flashlight on it and you should see it... should be on the top
in the front....

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rpffreeman@gmail.com - 02 Aug 2007 18:32 GMT
On Jul 31, 3:15 am, mdibiof...@gmail.com wrote:
> 1987 300SDL 240,000 miles.
> My wife had the unfortunate klima relay failure while driving down the
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>
> Any thoughts would be appreciated.

Unbelievable, that says something about how tough the serpentine belts
are - to go 100 miles without it buring out - incredible!
Wan-ning Tan - 13 Aug 2007 04:54 GMT
Interesting.  The Klima relay is designed to prevent what you
experienced: a seized compressor clutch.

The Klima relay works by comparing the engine and the compressor speed.
 It is supposed to cut out the clutch in your situation.  I cannot
explain why it did not.

I would prefer the suggestion from others: disconnect the clutch
connector which is a 3-wire connector on top of the compressor just
after the pulley.

I have not checked the ETM (Electrical Troubleshooting Manual) yet.  My
memory says that the engine speed goes through the Klima relay.  If the
relay is disconnected, the obvious difference is no tachometer reading
but there may be other control based on the engine speed.  There is no
mechanical problem but the emission (e.g. EGR) and performance may be
affected.

> 1987 300SDL 240,000 miles.
> My wife had the unfortunate klima relay failure while driving down the
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>
> Any thoughts would be appreciated.
 
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