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Hi As I'm approaching retirement, I'm looking at getting my 1st Mercedes to replace my current 9 year old high mileage Volvo V70 Auto and I'm looking particularly at C Class's built 2005 to 2007. Current favourite is a 2005 C 220 CDI Classic SE Auto Estate (after the V70 I really like estate cars), although the 200 Kompressor might be nice. Any one particular model better than all the rest for reliability and running costs? Any thing special to look out for on any particular model? How does the 220 Diesel go and is it worth getting? I currently have a small caravan, although I am trying to sell it at the moment, so that needn't be a deciding factor. I'm in the UK, if that makes any difference. Thanks in advance Richard Web pages: http://www.caravanningnow.co.uk/ for caravanning, http://www.rcole.org/ for my personal web site and http://www.homeindorset.co.uk because I love the email address.  SignatureHe's a dwarf? I always said you couldn't trust them little buggers! He fooled me all right, Captain, the little sod must of lied about his height! - Guards! Guards! by Terry Pratchett I understand (from my Merc garage in Park Royal, west London) that current/recent Cs are ok. Older ones have quality issues, so you should be ok. Anyway, given at what you're looking, you should have at least some warranty cover. The '220 CDI' engine is popular, also often seen in Es, as you may have noticed. Question is, do you do the mileage to justify diesel? As you know, in the UK it costs more than (standard 95 octane) petrol. Modern turbodiesels run just about like petrol engines and have great torque. The clatter is audible only on the outside. I just had a hire-car for a fortnight with a 1.9 l td (a Fiat Croma, grotty-looking but spacious; I had failed to get the requested Alfa Romeo 159 estate, great-looking) and I was pretty satisfied. Good pulling power despite largish car, and low fuel consumption with prices a bit lower than petrol (in Italy). On previous occasions I had rented Alfa 147s with the same engine. Personally I very much like the appearance of the current C Class. DAS SignatureFor direct replies replace nospam with schmetterling --- > Hi > [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > http://www.rcole.org/ for my personal web site and > http://www.homeindorset.co.uk because I love the email address. >I understand (from my Merc garage in Park Royal, west London) that >current/recent Cs are ok. Older ones have quality issues, so you should be >ok. > >Anyway, given at what you're looking, you should have at least some warranty >cover. Yes. It comes with the remainder of the factory warranty (The car is Mar 2005) >The '220 CDI' engine is popular, also often seen in Es, as you may have >noticed. > >Question is, do you do the mileage to justify diesel? Probably not, my average is about 10,000 pa, mostly town driving (i.e. Tickover) >As you know, in the UK it costs more than (standard 95 octane) petrol. I appreciate that, but a diesel does more miles per gallon, so it works out about the same in the end and as we visit France a least once a year >Modern turbodiesels run just about like petrol engines and have great >torque. The clatter is audible only on the outside. Yes. Drove the car today and couldn't tell it was diesel either from noise or performance. >Personally I very much like the appearance of the current C Class. Unfortunately, this is the pre 2007 220 Estate Dori, thanks for your thoughts. Web pages: http://www.caravanningnow.co.uk/ for caravanning, http://www.rcole.org/ for my personal web site and http://www.homeindorset.co.uk because I love the email address. SignatureTop 20 Replies by Programmers When Their Programs Don't Work: 18. "It worked yesterday." By "current" I also meant the immediately preceding model... It's more the first generation C I find a bit dull in appearance. As regards your driving mix, in the 'old' days diesels really came into their own in stop-start city driving, returning low fuel consumption unmatched by a petrol engine (I don't doubt this is why so many taxis have diesel engines). The difference was much reduced with gentle motorway cruising. (I had a Merc W123 200D 72 PS jobbie in the early eighties, when living in Germany.) I don't know how modern turbodiesels compare, though. Maybe somebody here can comment. DAS SignatureFor direct replies replace nospam with schmetterling --- > >>I understand (from my Merc garage in Park Royal, west London) that [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > http://www.rcole.org/ for my personal web site and > http://www.homeindorset.co.uk because I love the email address. > (I had a Merc W123 200D 72 PS jobbie in the early eighties, when living in > Germany.) I do have the AMG version aka 240D w/72PS ;-)) IIRC you had a 60PS 200D, didn't you? And not that it is of any importance, but I found the first C-Class (W202) the best, the successor W203 I find not so great build-quality wise. And the current version W204 looks better than than the predecessor, but IMHO it will look outdated (too) soon. Juergen Guten Abend... Maybe I did have 60 PS. Was that the upgraded version from 55 PS? I guess your super sports 240D had the 72 PS. In many ways it was the best car I ever had. I was young(ish), it was my first new car, it was a Mercedes and, above all, was a company car... {It was my second car, but the first was a used Vauxhall Cavalier and a drain on my private (and slim) wallet.} DAS For direct replies replace nospam with schmetterling --- >> (I had a Merc W123 200D 72 PS jobbie in the early eighties, when living >> in >> Germany.) > > I do have the AMG version aka 240D w/72PS ;-)) > IIRC you had a 60PS 200D, didn't you? [...] You should be O.K with any recent C Class after 2003. The decision between diesel and petrol is a matter of mileage covered. The petrol 200K is quite economical; 40 ish on along journey, you might see 50 with the 220CDi, so you can work out the break even cost. service intervals are different (more frequent) for diesels. Ash > Hi > [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > http://www.rcole.org/ for my personal web site and > http://www.homeindorset.co.uk because I love the email address. > You should be O.K with any recent C Class after 2003. > The decision between diesel and petrol is a matter of mileage covered. The [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] >> http://www.rcole.org/ for my personal web site and >> http://www.homeindorset.co.uk because I love the email address. I am running a 02 220CDI and the engine is very good. It is hooked up to the 5 speed auto gearbox and returns over 51mpg on a long run. >I am running a 02 220CDI and the engine is very good. It is hooked up >to the 5 speed auto gearbox and returns over 51mpg on a long run. John, That's the same spec as the car I drove today (although mine is [will be] on an 05 plate), so it's good to hear someone's real world experience. Thanks Richard Web pages: http://www.caravanningnow.co.uk/ for caravanning, http://www.rcole.org/ for my personal web site and http://www.homeindorset.co.uk because I love the email address. SignatureTop 20 Replies by Programmers When Their Programs Don't Work: 18. "It worked yesterday." Richard no problems, although mine is a on an 02 plate I have been very happy with it except for having to replace both rear springs in the last two years. I hope your 05 220 CDI Estate gives you many happy miles of motoring. John >> I am running a 02 220CDI and the engine is very good. It is hooked up >> to the 5 speed auto gearbox and returns over 51mpg on a long run. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > http://www.rcole.org/ for my personal web site and > http://www.homeindorset.co.uk because I love the email address. >You should be O.K with any recent C Class after 2003. >The decision between diesel and petrol is a matter of mileage covered. The >petrol 200K is quite economical; 40 ish on along journey, you might see 50 >with the 220CDi, so you can work out the break even cost. service intervals >are different (more frequent) for diesels. Ash Thanks for that. My annual mileage isn't high (10,000 miles pa) and I don't try to be an especially economical driver, but as I said to Dori (above) I do go to France quite regularly (and will be doing some more once I retire), and that is where I hope to do most of my mileage next year. The car I tested today has automated variable service interval feature, with 9,000+ miles to go, so that should be the best part of a year. Thanks Richard Web pages: http://www.caravanningnow.co.uk/ for caravanning, http://www.rcole.org/ for my personal web site and http://www.homeindorset.co.uk because I love the email address. SignatureTop 20 Replies by Programmers When Their Programs Don't Work: 18. "It worked yesterday." You would probably save about £200 a year at UK fuel prices with a diesel, and £400 at french fuel prices, based on 10000mls pa. Ash >>You should be O.K with any recent C Class after 2003. >>The decision between diesel and petrol is a matter of mileage covered. The [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > http://www.rcole.org/ for my personal web site and > http://www.homeindorset.co.uk because I love the email address. >You would probably save about £200 a year at UK fuel prices with a diesel, >and £400 at french fuel prices, based on 10000mls pa. Ash Thanks Richard Web pages: http://www.caravanningnow.co.uk/ for caravanning, http://www.rcole.org/ for my personal web site and http://www.homeindorset.co.uk because I love the email address. SignatureCINEMA goers. Please have consideration for pirate DVD viewers by having a pi$$ before the film starts. - 'Viz' top tip > CINEMA goers. Please have consideration for pirate DVD viewers by having a > pi$$ before the film starts. - 'Viz' top tip Pi$$ on the pirates camera saves a long walk. How else do you expect to get it on YouTube? DAS For direct replies replace nospam with schmetterling --- [...] > Pi$$ on the pirates camera saves a long walk. >Current favourite is a 2005 C 220 CDI Classic SE Auto Estate (after the V70 >I really like estate cars), although the 200 Kompressor might be nice. Thanks Dori & Ash for your helpful replies. Today I put down the deposit on the 05 CDI car above. Now I look forward to many years of happy motoring. Thanks guys Richard Web pages: http://www.caravanningnow.co.uk/ for caravanning, http://www.rcole.org/ for my personal web site and http://www.homeindorset.co.uk because I love the email address. SignatureYou know, I used to think I was stupid, and then I met philosophers. - 'Small Gods' by Terry Pratchett |
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