My 1990 24 valve 300 CE has this problem:
With no prior starting or running problems, it suddenly decided not to
start today. It fired up as usual for only a second or two, then died.
The fuel pumps prime up, dash lights come on and the car cranks strong
but it will not start. All fuses are intact, as far as I can tell. Since
my car uses the MAS triple relay, and the fuel pumps pressurize on
ignition, I don't think it or they are the problem. Also the
accumulator, pumps and filter were replaced with factory new units
several months ago. I even checked the fuses on the over-voltage
protection relay, and they are intact. As I mentioned, this situation
occurred suddenly. I've owned the car a long time, and it has been
running well.
One thing, however, is that it occasionally dies when coasting (no gas
applied), as when getting off the freeway or coming to a long stop. On
these occasions the car will occasionally die suddenly, then upon
turning the key and starting, will fire up again immediately. No one has
been able to diagnose this, but it has never interfered with starting or
running. (The idle speed control valve, ignition wires, plugs cap and
rotor are fairly new as well.)
It was suggested I test the ignition to see if there is spark, but I'm
not sure how to do that yet. I know it involves a 12 v. lamp and some
leads. But if anyone has an idea of what else to check, I'd appreciate
it. The various ignition modules are quite expensive, and most such
items cannot be returned once purchased. Yes, I can have the car towed
to the Mercedes dealer or and independent garage, but I was hoping to at
least do what I can first.
Thanks for any advice.
C.A.
-->> T.G. Lambach <<-- - 29 Sep 2007 03:51 GMT
One thing, however, is that it occasionally dies when coasting (no gas
applied), as when getting off the freeway or coming to a long stop. On
these occasions the car will occasionally die suddenly, then upon
turning the key and starting, will fire up again immediately.
My suggestion is the fuel pump relay - even though it seems to run the
pump prior to cranking to motor. Your description above is the key to an
intermittent fuel pump relay IMHO.

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Charles Adams - 01 Oct 2007 02:14 GMT
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> One thing, however, is that it occasionally dies when coasting (no gas
> applied), as when getting off the freeway or coming to a long stop. On
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> pump prior to cranking to motor. Your description above is the key to an
> intermittent fuel pump relay IMHO.
Thanks for the advice. I assumed since the pumps seem to pressurize when
I turn the key, that the MAS relay is working. Perhaps I am wrong about
this. Too bad I can't test it with a new relay. I don't think the dealer
lets you buy one and then take it back. But I'll check further.
C.A.
roland franzius - 29 Sep 2007 08:57 GMT
> My 1990 24 valve 300 CE has this problem:
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> to the Mercedes dealer or and independent garage, but I was hoping to at
> least do what I can first.
Fuel smell at exhaust while cranking will decide between fuel supply or
ignition failure. If there is fuel smell you can remove one spark plug
and see or hear the sparks if you crank the engine.
If there is no fuel smell remove the air filter cover and pure a small
glass of fuel on the filter. If the engine fires with this additional
cold start enrichment you have a problem with starter valve, cold start
regulation unit or the fuel pressure system or as you mention costing
problem the coasting shut off valve. I remember some problems with 110
engines when people forget the connection hose from air filter to shut
off valve.

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Jens - 03 Oct 2007 22:35 GMT
> > My 1990 24 valve 300 CE has this problem:
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Right, first verify whether fuel problem (no fuel or too rich fuel) or
ignition:
It sounds like fuel supply is generally OK (fuel pumps run), but since
the problem is intermittant, it could very well be in the circuits
supplying current to the fuel pumps, either a generally loose
connection or the fuel pump relay as suggested.
Or it could be anywhere in the igition: Ignition coil, distributor,
the ignition control unit or the crankshaft position sensor.
Intermittant problems are never easy to find, since you don't know if
the problem is present or not when you look/test (sorry).
/Jens
Tiger - 30 Sep 2007 14:09 GMT
By noting your engine dies when coasting tells me two possibilities... fuel
pump relay and throttle position sensor. If you never changed your fuel pump
relay, it is time to do so... long overdue.
Throttle position sensor is also another issue with these 6 cylinders...
will cause erratic shutdown.
Charles Adams - 01 Oct 2007 02:11 GMT
> By noting your engine dies when coasting tells me two possibilities... fuel
> pump relay and throttle position sensor. If you never changed your fuel pump
> relay, it is time to do so... long overdue.
>
> Throttle position sensor is also another issue with these 6 cylinders...
> will cause erratic shutdown.
Thanks for the advice all.
With regards to a possible faulty fuel pump relay, my model uses the MAS
relay, which is apparently three relays in one. if I turn the key and
hear the pumps in the rear of the car pressurize for a second or two, I
assume the relay is functional. Is this correct? And if so, wouldn't
this rule out the pump relay as a possible cause?
Also, I'm not sure where the throttle position sensor is. It's not
listed in the repair manual I have (Haynes) I'm sure the dealer can tell
me, however.
Thanks,
C.A.
Tiger - 01 Oct 2007 14:24 GMT
No... not true on MAS or fuel pump relay. The main problem is when the relay
get too hot, it releases the contact the the fuel pump shuts off. Other
time, the contacts has too much oxidation that the fuel pump cannot get full
voltage.
I noticed you said you replaced fuel pump... that tells me your old one
draws too much power at the end that pretty much burned out your MAS or fuel
pump relay.
You can get rebuilt one for less.