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Car Forum / Mercedes-Benz Cars / January 2008

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rough running 1987 560SL

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BLH - 01 Jan 2008 12:55 GMT
I have just purchased a 1987 560SL with 94k original miles on it.  It
clearly has an engine problem & I would like some advice on how to
diagnose it.

The car, apparently, was running fine until one day, the previous owner
started it up & it had a tapping sound & was running very roughly.

This problem has nothing to do with the timing chain, rails, etc. as
they were just recently replaced (about 2 years & 10k miles ago)

Could this be a camshaft or rocker problem or ?

Thanks in advance for any suggestions on how to proceed with this.

Brian
roland franzius - 01 Jan 2008 13:10 GMT
> I have just purchased a 1987 560SL with 94k original miles on it.  It
> clearly has an engine problem & I would like some advice on how to
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> Thanks in advance for any suggestions on how to proceed with this.

Engines often run rough if fuel/air is poor. Change fuel filter, check
fuel pump, relais, pressure and injectors, cold start regulation, vacuum
regulation lines and engine housing vacuum.

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trader4@optonline.net - 01 Jan 2008 14:03 GMT
> > I have just purchased a 1987 560SL with 94k original miles on it.  It
> > clearly has an engine problem & I would like some advice on how to
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> Roland Franzius

I'd also be suspicious that this car has way more than the 94K miles
on it.   It would be very unusual for the timing chain to need
replacement at 84K miles.
Tiger - 01 Jan 2008 14:58 GMT
Agreed on timing chain... No way on such a low mileage. Going from good
running car to crappy the next is most likely timing chain... probably due
to the fact that the tensioner probably never changed.
Paul McKechnie - 02 Jan 2008 12:07 GMT
Maybe the PO had the chain and guides changed as maintaince before it had
time to cause a problem.

> Agreed on timing chain... No way on such a low mileage. Going from good
> running car to crappy the next is most likely timing chain... probably due
> to the fact that the tensioner probably never changed.
BLH - 02 Jan 2008 15:23 GMT
> Maybe the PO had the chain and guides changed as maintaince before it had
> time to cause a problem.

Yes, that is exactly what happened....apparently, those plastic guides
go bad & become brittle with age, not just miles...and when they go bad,
 a piece can break off & wedge itself in the timing gear & cause the
chain to skip a cog.  I have viewed the receipts and the prev. owner did
have the tensioner & the tensioner guide replaced as well along with the
timing chain and guide.

I removed the spark plugs & checked compression.  Even though the
compression is good, I noticed that one spark plug (#4 cylinder) was
black & fouled.....I am wondering if this is oil fouled or carbon
fouled...there is no oil on the spark plug, there is a bunch of bubbly
flat-black stuff on it.  Any ideas ?

I am told that sometimes the rockers &/or cam lobe can go do to lack of
lubrication.

Any ideas or suggestions would be great !

Thanks,

Brian

>>Agreed on timing chain... No way on such a low mileage. Going from good
>>running car to crappy the next is most likely timing chain... probably due
>>to the fact that the tensioner probably never changed.
Tiger - 02 Jan 2008 22:36 GMT
One plug fouled... check the resistance of the spark plug wire... should be
anywhere between 1000 and 1300 ohm. If it is higher, then it is bad. I hopes
this is the case.

Otherwise, it woud be the fuel distributor.
Karl - 02 Jan 2008 23:35 GMT
On a 560 engine, the wire resistance should be zero ohms. The resistance is
built into the screw-on end. Read the numbers stamped into it: should be 1K
or 5K. The end is replaceable seperately.

> One plug fouled... check the resistance of the spark plug wire... should be
> anywhere between 1000 and 1300 ohm. If it is higher, then it is bad. I hopes
> this is the case.
>
> Otherwise, it woud be the fuel distributor.
Rob - 03 Jan 2008 04:41 GMT
> Agreed on timing chain... No way on such a low mileage. Going from good
> running car to crappy the next is most likely timing chain... probably due
> to the fact that the tensioner probably never changed.

Try turning off the ESP
-->> T.G. Lambach <<-- - 01 Jan 2008 19:18 GMT
To quote you: camshaft or rocker problem (that wasn't fixed after the
chain broke).
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