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Car Forum / Mercedes-Benz Cars / January 2008

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Modern Mercedes design rant!

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John (Ireland) - 13 Jan 2008 21:33 GMT
Hi all - I would like your wise views on the following issue. This is
the gearshift on a c.1970 W108 280SE 3.5:

http://homepage.eircom.net/~jconsidi/myfiles/W108_280SE3point5.jpg

Note that the letters and numbers (PRN432 etc) are on the driver's
side in this car, which is a right-hand drive model.

This is my 2003 C-class:

http://homepage.eircom.net/~jconsidi/myfiles/2003_C270cdi_gearshift_auto.jpg

The letters and numbers, and the C/S switch, are on the 'wrong' side
of the gear lever for a right-hand drive, so the driver can't see
them. Fair enough one might say, a C-class is not a top-of-the-line
car as an old S-class was in its time. OK. This is the gear shift of a
2007 SL500 that I currently have on loan:

http://homepage.eircom.net/~jconsidi/myfiles/2007_SL500gearshift_auto.jpg

Same issue, letters and switch out of sight of the driver.

An SL500 is not a 'budget' Mercedes-Benz by any stretch of the
imagination, here it costs about Euro 170,000 or well over US$200,000
- for that, imho MB could afford the little bit of re-engineering it
would take to fully convert the design for right-hand drive, to cater
for markets such as England, South Africa, Hong Kong, Australia and
Ireland where I live.

Am I alone in thinking that engineering is now less to the fore than
in was in MB thirty years ago?

All views and opinions equally welcome.

John
roland franzius - 13 Jan 2008 22:20 GMT
> Hi all - I would like your wise views on the following issue. This is
> the gearshift on a c.1970 W108 280SE 3.5:
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>
> All views and opinions equally welcome.

They have changed it tonight for UK and for Ireland too, probably.

http://www.c-class.co.uk/home.php?page=interaction

My manual gear shift has the numbers on top of the knob. Difficult to
read since most of the time it's covered by my hand.

Signature

Roland Franzius

flambe - 14 Jan 2008 00:16 GMT
Wait until you see the Mercedes version of bluetooth!
none - 18 Jan 2008 18:37 GMT
> Hi all - I would like your wise views on the following issue. This is
> the gearshift on a c.1970 W108 280SE 3.5:
[quoted text clipped - 31 lines]
>
> John
Hi John,

It doesn't appear to be right/left hand related since my LHD 1968 280SEL
has the same gear shift (pattern reversed (front-back), because you've
an newer gearbox system) as your 280SE 3.5 . So it is not LHD / RHD
related. The RHD is just lucky this time.
I b.t.w. never had a problem reading it, even when it's at the wrong side.

Kind regards,

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unknown mileage at least 280 K miles
       _________          Maurits Obbink
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(>---_-----------_----\   1968 280SEL
=="(o)----------(o)---==  The Netherlands

John (Ireland) - 19 Jan 2008 11:03 GMT
> Hi John,
>
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
> (>---_-----------_----\   1968 280SEL
> =="(o)----------(o)---==  The Netherlands

Hi Maurits,
I have a rhd 1968 280SE automatic as well, but it has steering-column
gear change, with the gear indicator in the instrument cluster. I
don't own the 280SE 3.5 in the picture I used, just used it to make
the point that in the 1960's MB seemed to engineer everything up to a
standard rather than down to a price. Incidentally, a few years back I
dismantled a 50k-mile rusted 1971 280SE for its salvage parts, and I
was amazed at how many differences there were between 1968 and 1971 on
basically the same W108 model. Obviously the oil crisis forced a big
re-think about building heavy thirsty cars. For example, on the 1968
car, all the seat fixtures were made of solid metal with chrome-on-
metal trims. By 1971, all that was chromed plastic.
Your 1968 280SE might have the older fluid-coupling transmission that
changes gear with a thump? The MB manual says the later torque
converter-type transmission can't be fitted. I have done it
successfully ;-), I didn't get the factory manual until a few years
after I had done the job, and I'm no a pro mechanic, just a self-
taught enthusiast. If I had read the manual first, I wouldn't have
attempted the conversion.

the W108's are still my favourite MB's, along with the Unimog 404.

John
 
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