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weelliott@gmail.com - 25 Mar 2008 14:44 GMT
For years I have boycotted Walm-mart because of their slave-shop labor
practices and other sissues that I won't get into. However, my car
came with a wal-mart battery, and when it ran out under warranty, I
got another one from them for free. I used to always get them from
Sears since they used to be everywhere, and have real automotive
departments, but about three years ago I decided that I'd go with Wal-
mart for their batteries since they are everywhere, and when you have
a bad battery, that is a good thing.

However, I might change that policy of mine for the following reason.
I bought a 2 year free replacement battery from them about 2.5 years
ago. It says right on it that after the free-=replacement period that
battery is pro-rated over a 72 month time period. My battery died last
week, and when I went to replace it, they only gave me nine dollars
back on a 67 dollar battery. My math indicates that I should have
gotten almost 28 bucks credit to the new one.  So when I bought the
battery, they charged me a nine buck core charge. I asked the cashier
how to get my pro-rate back. She told me to take my old battery to
customer service to get my "pro-rate" back. However, once there, they
told me that it is their policy to give everyone with a battery out of
warranty but in the pro-rate period nine bucks flat rate. I then
looked at my reciept and noticed the nine dollar core charge. I
pointed out to them that a core charge and a pro-rate are not the same
thing. They insist that the core charge that they refund to a person
bringing in a battery is a pro-rate.

That is not a pro-rate though. That is just a core charge. In fact
they even call it a core charge, and charge it to you on the reciept
when you buy the new one. So in effect, they didn't give me a pro-rate
at all. This is their policy though.

So in short they are not delivering on their promise of pro-rating
their batteries. Not that I am one to go sue over crap like this, but
I'm surprised that some high-strung lawyer hasn't pounced on this and
created a class-action lawsuit. It's cut and dry theft in my eyes.

Am I out in left field here? I have had multiple pro-rated things fail
and wound up getting my fraction of their advertised value applied to
the replacement.

Thoughts?

Bill
Tiger - 25 Mar 2008 15:22 GMT
I am using Autozone batteries. They are good and they are good on their
warranty.

File a complaint with your state consumer protection agency. Give them
copies of everything... warranty, all reciepts, and write on it to explain
them what happened. Calculate your own Prorate using the warranty that you
recieved... So if you are owed $28... do it in calculation so that the
warranty support it... plus that $9 core charge they charged you.

Send a copy of your complaint to Walmart headquarter and you will get your
money back. If all this does not work, then threaten Walmart in another
letter along with a copy of letter you sent to them... that you will sue
them in small claim court.

With small claim court, Walmart must send a corporate lawyer... which means
$250+ an hour lawyer fee... this case will easily cost them $1000 to settle
in court. Explain this to them in letter too. So you are giving them a
chance to make good with you before you file a claim.

If you do file a claim, go to court on appointed day. If no representative
is there to defend Walmart, judge will rule in your favor and place a lien
on Walmart... which is basically you own part of Walmart for a kicker.
-->> T.G. Lambach <<-- - 26 Mar 2008 00:09 GMT
Seventy two months is about the longest warranty offered on most
batteries. A 72 month battery probably has the following warranty:

72 month prorated warranty during which the first 24 months are a free
replacement - not prorated. However, the proration starts on day one so
the customer paid portion of the proration on the 24th month is 24/72
and theirs is 48/72. After 36 months it's 50%, after 48 months you pay
67% etc. That's how a proration ought to work. Read the new battery's
warranty to see if that's the case.

Sometimes a retailer will use the full list price of a tire, battery
etc. to calculate your share of the proration, even thought the item was
purchased and usually sells for a substantial discount. A 50% driver
share of a $120 (full retail) item is $60 vs. its usual, say, $75
discounted price. That's how a retailer reduces its warranty costs.

I don't understand the "core charge" which is another matter; I thought
a battery has a nominal ($2) credit for its metal. Our recycling center
takes them for free.

I suggest you phone your local consumer protection bureau, part of local
government.
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weelliott@gmail.com - 26 Mar 2008 13:36 GMT
That is exactly how I thought they worked, and how I calculated the 28
dollar value. But now I see that actually I had messed up in my
message. I had actually used up about 28 or 29 dollars worth of value,
but still had about 38 dollars of value left. I should have been
credited 38 bucks, not 28 bucks. It was a 24 month free replacement 72
month pro-rate. I had had it for 31 months. So I had 41 months left.
When 41 is divided by 72 then multiplied by the $66.88 you get $38.08.

Unfortunately I don't have a reciept to prove my case in court. The
only proof of the age of the battery was the shipping date sticker on
the side of the battery. They provide a handy pocket to stick the
receipt in, but since the reciept was exposed to the elements in my
engine bay, it had turned dark purple and was a crumbled mess. I think
it was thermal paper, and apparently my engine bay gets hot enough to
effect it.

I just thought that others should know about Wal-marts practices. It
could be one isolated store that I went to, but they swore up and down
that that is the policy everywhere.

Oh well. Thank you for validating that what I was pretty sure was true
about pro-rates still held true.

Have a good day,
Bill

> 72 month prorated warranty during which the first 24 months are a free
> replacement - not prorated. However, the proration starts on day one so
> the customer paid portion of the proration on the 24th month is 24/72
> and theirs is 48/72. After 36 months it's 50%, after 48 months you pay
> 67% etc. That's how a proration ought to work. Read the new battery's
> warranty to see if that's the case.
Tiger - 26 Mar 2008 15:05 GMT
I am sorry to hear that. Thermal paper must be photocopied in order to
preserve the proof. Thermal paper will always fade over time.

So with any extended warranty purchase, always photocopy them. It doesn't
matter where you keep them... cool and dry or hot and high humidity, they
will fade... In sun? Ha! Even faster. I think this is a loophole for all of
them.

As far as Autozone, they have all your information on computer. No need to
bring reciept (it is good to bring one though)... they have you on the
computer.
heav - 26 Mar 2008 16:12 GMT
This sounds like you ran into a nitwit at the counter.  Did you try
again with a different manager, maybe one with more intelligence?

I have had terrible luck with Costco tire departments, but I have a
Costco 95 month warranty battery in my Toyota Corolla I have had since
1993 and it still works fine.  They don't offer a battery that fits my
300 TDT though, I have to use a Sears International in that.
weelliott@gmail.com - 27 Mar 2008 16:05 GMT
> This sounds like you ran into a nitwit at the counter.  Did you try
> again with a different manager, maybe one with more intelligence?
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> 1993 and it still works fine.  They don't offer a battery that fits my
> 300 TDT though, I have to use a Sears International in that.

It may have been that I was dealing with a nit-wit. Although, the nit-
wit's manager sang the same story, and before I bought the battery I
asked a guy in the automotive department (just some guy stocking
shelves) where I go to get my pro-rate, and he said that as far as he
knew they don't do pro-rates. I showed him my battery, with the pro-
rate statement printed right on it, and all he said was that,"it must
be an old one." However, the new one has the same thing printed on it.
So I think that he was the most clueless. Strangely enough, the lady
that I was dealing directly with seemed rather intelligent. Maybe she
was funding her way through college at Wal-mart.

I think I'll have to start getting my batteries from autozone. They
are nearly ubiquitous. I did get an alternator from them a few years
back that went bad within the warranty period, and they replaced it
with no hassle without needing anything more than my phone number.
raymond - 28 Mar 2008 07:20 GMT
waitasec.........

you boycotted Walmart due to their slave-shop labor, et al ....but
sold out for ease of availability of their car battery, and the
likelihood
of a free replacement?
weelliott@gmail.com - 28 Mar 2008 13:57 GMT
> waitasec.........
>
> you boycotted Walmart due to their slave-shop labor, et al ....but
> sold out for ease of availability of their car battery, and the
> likelihood
> of a free replacement?

Okay, you got me. It was a questionable decision. But three years ago
when I first went to them for a battery, it was because I already had
one of theirs that came with a car that I bought. Their battery had
gone bad, so I went to them for a replacement. I couldn't justify
paying full price somewhere else when I still had pro-rated value left
in that battery.

Since then I have put a battery in one other car of mine that I bought
with a dead battery. I went to Sears first, but they had shut down
their automotive department. I remembered that Wal-mart had batteries,
and they had the one thing that I had always liked about Sears-the
fact that they were everywhere. Since the guy at sears was saying that
they were phasing out their automotive stuff, I thought it would be
foolish to look for another Sears that still had an automotive
department since eventually that would go away leaving me with a
battery without support.  At this point I should have just switched to
Autozone or some place like that. But it never occured to me. I didn't
know that they sold batteries.

And I wasn't going with Wal-mart because they offer free replacements.
Pretty much all brands offer a warranty period where they will replace
it for free within the first two or three years. If you re-read me
post, I was not looking for a free battery, but to get credit for the
pro-rated value in my battery, which is the industry practice.

So now I am done with them. You might be happy to know that you are
the straw that broke the camel's back. Even when this battery dies,
I'm just going to get one elsewhere. That is unless it dies within the
free replacement period. Then it is more of a burden to Wal-mart.
Apparently you can still get Diehard batteries elsewhere now. I wish
Target sold batteries. They're everywhere, and a responsible company.
RF - 28 Mar 2008 22:59 GMT
>> waitasec.........
>>
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> Apparently you can still get Diehard batteries elsewhere now. I wish
> Target sold batteries. They're everywhere, and a responsible company.

Just 2 comments:

1    According to Consumer Reports ratings the Diehard
batteries are rather low.
You can do much better.

2    A few years ago I noticed the receipts fading and I am now
in the habit
of scanning them into my computer just after buying. Later,
if I need to, I can
just print them.

RF
wc98 - 29 Mar 2008 03:09 GMT
>>> waitasec.........
>>>
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>
>RF   

But beware, some stores will not accept a printed copy of a
receipt...original only. I bought something with a credit card and did
later could not find my receipt so i had my credit card company sent
me a copy of it and the store (Wal-Mart) would not accept it.
trader4@optonline.net - 29 Mar 2008 12:35 GMT
> >weelli...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>> waitasec.........
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>
> - Show quoted text -

Isn't the real problem with a credit card receipt that it only shows
the amount, date, where, etc,, but not exactly what was bought?  Even
if you had the original credit card receipt, I doubt that would have
been sufficient either.
RF - 30 Mar 2008 19:43 GMT
>>> weelli...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>> waitasec.........
[quoted text clipped - 51 lines]
> if you had the original credit card receipt, I doubt that would have
> been sufficient either.

Good points guys. The only return I had to make was to Home
Depot and they
accepted the printed version. However, they are now set up
to track purchases
just from the card number and a date.

I have noticed that those original receipts will fade very
rapidly if exposed to strong light
and probably heat. Putting them in a sealed envelope and
storing them in a fridge might
work.  I'll try a test soon - put one batch in the fridge
and keep one in a dark drawer in
the kitchen.
wc98 - 31 Mar 2008 00:24 GMT
>> >weelli...@gmail.com wrote:
>> >>> waitasec.........
[quoted text clipped - 61 lines]
>if you had the original credit card receipt, I doubt that would have
>been sufficient either.
The receipt my credit card company supplied me was the same receipt
you would get in the store if you use the card machine at the
check-out and sign the electronic pad. It is really a Wal-Mart receipt
but shows you used a credit card for the purchase. The credit card
company was really giving me a copy of the Wal-Mart receipt instead of
the typical credit card sales receipt.
Roger Shoaf - 30 Mar 2008 02:05 GMT
Here is my opinion on batteries.  Never buy a battery manufactured by Exide.
I once took a job at Montgomery Wards in the auto department and spend all
day everyday processing battery returns.

As I can figure, here is the scam.  A new car comes with a battery that has
a life expectancy of 6 or 7 years.  When the battery needs replacement, some
one buys another expecting similar life, but the battery is no where near
what the original equipment battery was.

If the battery fails within the first two years it is replaced for free but
the warrantee runs from the date of the original purchase.

Where they get you is when a receipt is lost, the car changes hands or the
customer is oblivious to the warrantee.  No tickee, no washee.

What I do is to purchase either batteries made by Johnson Control, or even
better I buy an Optima battery. (Especially in my diesel.)  My experience is
that these batteries tend to do the job well beyond the warrantee period.

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If you are not part of the solution, you are not dissolved in the solvent.

> For years I have boycotted Walm-mart because of their slave-shop labor
> practices and other sissues that I won't get into. However, my car
[quoted text clipped - 39 lines]
>
> Bill
Yor - 02 Apr 2008 04:16 GMT
On Mar 25, 9:44 am, "weelli...@gmail.com" <weelli...@gmail.com> wrote:
> For years I have boycotted Walm-mart because of their slave-shop labor
> practices and other sissues that I won't get into. However, my car
[quoted text clipped - 39 lines]
>
> Bill

I also just "exchanged" my old WalMart battery that had 9 months left
on it's pro-rated warrenty.
I found that the automotive dept. had a different idea than customer
service and before I was done I
had to go through 2 managers.  Bottom line I got 6 dollars pro-rated
towards my new battery.  Hardly
worth the 30 minutes and hassle.  I've had good luck with they're
batteries but don't think they train their
people very well to deal with these situations...
Jim Insolo - 19 Apr 2008 14:17 GMT
Its a good thing those slave laborers built you a reliable computer so you
could drone endlessely on about your 9 dollars.  Those poor  Wal Mart
workers, already underpaid, now have to listen to your whining.

> For years I have boycotted Walm-mart because of their slave-shop labor
> practices and other sissues that I won't get into. However, my car
[quoted text clipped - 39 lines]
>
> Bill
FYIS - 19 Apr 2008 19:34 GMT
> Its a good thing those slave laborers built you a reliable computer so you
> could drone endlessely on about your 9 dollars.  Those poor  Wal Mart
[quoted text clipped - 43 lines]
>>
>> Bill

Thoughts?
My 7yo ML320 battery died two days ago while I am 1500 miles away from home.
I called 1-800-mercedes and the local MB dealer's fully-equipped Roadside Assistance
ML was out with a new battery and had it replaced within an hour.
No muss, no fuss; thank you Mercedes Roadside Assistance.

I didn't pay no $67 like you did at Wal-Mart; but I didn't have (and won't in the
future have) the aggravation of dealing with the Wal-Mart Customer Service and
Automotive Departments either. <lol>

DanlK
"You are entitled to your opinion. But you are not entitled to your own facts."
- Daniel Patrick Moynihan
Tiger - 20 Apr 2008 02:30 GMT
I agree with MB Roadside assistance. They do charge 1.5 times regular labor,
but they do the job for you on the road if they can. My only gripe is
sometime they send out rookies who has little experience with oldies.
weelliott@gmail.com - 21 Apr 2008 14:53 GMT
> Its a good thing those slave laborers built you a reliable computer so you
> could drone endlessely on about your 9 dollars.  Those poor  Wal Mart
[quoted text clipped - 49 lines]
>
> - Show quoted text -

Excuse me? The people at Wal-Mart didn't have to listen to my
incessant whining. I did not whine, and didn't even push the issue. I
at most questioned their policies on here. When they said that they
didn't pro-rate the way I knew pro-rating to work(and apparently the
way it is legally supposed to work) I didn't raise a stink in their
store, I accepted that that was their policy and left. I thought it to
be a screwed up policy, but I didn't whine as you suggest.

If you read carefully, or just read my post at all, you'd see that I
was owed much more than nine dollars. Nine dollars is what I got for
the core. A core is different from a pro-rate. I had actually already
paid that nine dollars minutes before. If you can't understand the
difference between a core and a pro-rate, then you don't understand
this thread, and shouldn't comment.

If I were to complain to Wal-mart employees in person, I'd have the
decency to not complain to a worker at the returns counter. They would
in effect just be a victim caught between a dissapointed customer and
a higher level of the beauracracy that has enacted a faulty policy. I
have been in their shoes. If you are trying to paint me out to be some
high class schmuck inconsiderate of lower income people, sorry, but
that is not me. I have been employed since I was 11 years old, worked
my way through college without taking loans or a cent from others, and
have done my fair share of minimum wage and tipped labor. Education is
the only reason that I now enjoy a much higher paying job, and
typically don't have to listen to whining, except from people like
you.

As for them being underpaid, I agree. However, subpar wages isn't an
excuse for subpar performance. I believe that one should have work
ethic despite pay. That is how one moves up. The attitude to the
contrary keeps people at the lowest rung. In addition to minimum wage
labor, I've been an enlisted sailor, and know what it is like to live,
eat, and breath my job for a very small wage. If I were to be in the
position of a manager at Wal-mart, I'd point out the faulty policy to
my superior and question it. As has been pointed out in this thread,
this is apparently not the offiical policy of all Wal-Mart stores, so
it wouldn't have to go far up the ladder before someone should
say,"What do you mean, that's not our policy at all. You are supposed
to..."

And to everyone who isn't Mr. Insolo that had to read this, I
apologize for my droning on to him, and wish you a good day.
 
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