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Car Forum / Mercedes-Benz Cars / September 2008

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What are the symptoms of a bad injector pump?

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firetec - 24 Sep 2008 05:38 GMT
I have a 1989 560 sel MB with 230K miles, that will skip when it gets worm.

When It is first started It will run smooth for 60 to 90 seconds.

Then It will start to skip until the temp,  reaches normal then it will run
smooth.

Any Help will be appreciated

Thanks Joe
Rob - 24 Sep 2008 08:02 GMT
> I have a 1989 560 sel MB with 230K miles, that will skip when it gets worm.
>
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> Thanks Joe

Fuel filter first!
-->> T.G. Lambach <<-- - 24 Sep 2008 08:08 GMT
The symptoms are similar to a vacuum leak - it results in the air / fuel
ratio being too lean. The cold engine gets extra fuel to start up and,
as you say, that cuts off after a minute or so. Then the motor ought to
run normally but with a vacuum leak yours stumbles, especially at idle,
as it warms up. Once warm, the vacuum leak is eliminated.

I suggest you check the intake manifold gasket where the manifold is
bolted to the cylinder heads. You may hear a hissing noise but more
likely the leak will be found by CAREFULLY applying propane or fuel to
any suspected leak site. That's dangerous so don't put your face near
that fuel!
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Rob - 24 Sep 2008 09:18 GMT
> The symptoms are similar to a vacuum leak - it results in the air / fuel
> ratio being too lean. The cold engine gets extra fuel to start up and,
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> any suspected leak site. That's dangerous so don't put your face near
> that fuel!

Well you could also squirt some oil on the gasket and see if that gets
sucked in.
-->> T.G. Lambach <<-- - 24 Sep 2008 17:48 GMT
Yes, that's a good idea and a lot safer than a fuel. But the motor
wouldn't get smoother when the leak is found but, on the other hand, the
exhaust would smoke from the oil.
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Rob - 25 Sep 2008 05:49 GMT
> Yes, that's a good idea and a lot safer than a fuel. But the motor
> wouldn't get smoother when the leak is found but, on the other hand, the
> exhaust would smoke from the oil.

I think you would be suprised the oil will seal for a bit and change the
engine noise.
Tiger - 24 Sep 2008 13:57 GMT
Fuel injector on your car is simply a nozzle. However, I don't think it is
your fuel injector at all. I think your problem is the temperature sensor
for the fuel injection system is a bit faulty and at this age, I would
change them out.

I don't think it is leaky intake manifold either, but you could have leaky
vacuum system. Easy way to check this out is by spraying carburator cleaner
on all part of engine and hear if your engine changes at the affected area.
Jens - 25 Sep 2008 23:35 GMT
> I have a 1989 560 sel MB with 230K miles, that will skip when it gets worm.
>
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> Thanks Joe

The fuel mixture works in open loop mode (controls the mixture without
feedback), until the oxygen sensor is warm after approx. one minute,
then it goes into closed loop mode (controls the mixture with
feedback).

Until engine has reached normal operating temperature, it will
normally provide richer mixture. Apparently this does not happen in
your case, but it works fine when reaching operating temperature.

So, I agree with Tiger: The ECU gets wrong information about engine
temperature.
 
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