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Car Forum / Mercedes-Benz Cars / January 2009

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Directional tires?

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JD - 06 Jan 2009 19:05 GMT
How does one address the directional aspect of a
tire when it comes to the spare? How critical is
it? Can you run a spare backwards long enough to
fix the flat or will running backwards cause rapid
damage?

Thanks!
JD
mcbrue - 07 Jan 2009 05:01 GMT
The trick is to mount the directional tyres all the same direction. If
you put a rear pointing tyre on the rigth rear, and a front pointing
tyre on the left rear, you are likely to loose your rear axel as the
two tyres simply turn the axel around and around  as the car trys to
go down the street. Also this is very bad for gas milage since the
rear tyres are fighting the front tyres and it is not very good for
tyre milage either. Same situation and considerations hold for tires
also. Now if you mount both rear tyres backwards, then you are likely
to stretch the car into a stretch limo, but be carefull as cars have
stretched too far and have broken this way. If you mount all tires
rearwards, not to worry, You just drive backwards and all is fine.
Proper use of the spare tyre has never been solved properly. It has
been suggested that the whole concept of directional tyres is too
complex and tyres should only be made to rotate either way. In fact,
rumor has it that the new Democratic liberal senate and congress will
take this up as one of its first items, shortly after it bans
ammunition for guns.
Kenneth P. Stox - 07 Jan 2009 22:09 GMT
> How does one address the directional aspect of a tire when it comes to
> the spare? How critical is it? Can you run a spare backwards long enough
> to fix the flat or will running backwards cause rapid damage?

The tread is directional, the internal construction is not. You'll get
less traction running it backwards, but other than that you should be
fine. I would guess that it would probably wear faster, too. I would
also be careful in the rain, as the tread will pump water under the
treads instead of away from the tread.
JD - 08 Jan 2009 05:52 GMT
>> How does one address the directional aspect of a tire when it comes to
>> the spare? How critical is it? Can you run a spare backwards long
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> also be careful in the rain, as the tread will pump water under the
> treads instead of away from the tread.

Thanks for the well considered answer. That's what I was hoping to hear.
I expected the difference inwater dispersion but wasn't sure if the
internals became "set" after running in one direction making them fall
apart if run in the opposite direction.

JD
heav - 08 Jan 2009 17:07 GMT
Why would you even consider this?  I just got a complete set of tires
for my 300 TDT from the Tirerack.com for $258.  By running tires in an
unsafe manner you risk dying, among other things.  Safe tires are a
necessary part of owning and driving an automobile, and a few hundred
dollars is not so much to pay.

I dozed off at the wheel and ran off the road in September.  While my
car was relatively undamaged because I just landed in the soft sand of
a wash, the impact with my seat belt and steering wheel did around
$100,000 worth of damage to me, or at least that's what the hospital
and doctor bills total up to, and lots of pain and discomfort, not to
mention three months off work and a month in the hospital.

Get safe tires or park the car because you risk going off the road
just hitting a puddle if the tread is pumping water UNDER your tires.
And if you do go off the road, it is unlikely that you will be lucky
enough to just land in soft sand.
JD - 08 Jan 2009 17:28 GMT
> Why would you even consider this?
<snip>

I guess I didn't make my concern clear enough. The spare tire, if the
same as the 4 on the ground, is going to be mounted for either right or
left use. Should the use of the spare be necessary, I was more concerned
with the ramifications of running it backwards *until I could get the
original tire repaired/replaced and back on the ground*.

JD
Roland Franzius - 08 Jan 2009 18:10 GMT
JD schrieb:
>> Why would you even consider this?
> <snip>
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> with the ramifications of running it backwards *until I could get the
> original tire repaired/replaced and back on the ground*.

Its no problem driving with any tire to the next service. Get it turned
around if its the reverse direction.

I always loved the idea of a special spare tire for each wheel, 205
front, 225 back and all directional.

Comes near to the hammer for left and right walls.

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JD - 08 Jan 2009 19:26 GMT
> JD schrieb:
>>> Why would you even consider this?
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>
> Comes near to the hammer for left and right walls.

I seem to recall from decades ago that conventional wisdom said never to
run certain types of tires opposite to whatever direction they had been
commonly used to. Of course, the memory's a little hazy and I don't
recall what type tires this applied to. I have staggered wheels on my
'92 300D which I'm in the process of 7.5" wide all around. That's what
brought up some of these questions.

JD
Tiger - 08 Jan 2009 19:39 GMT
Look. if you already got the tire and want to keep it, then just keep it. If
you are going to buy a spare tire to 'match' your other tires, then you are
wasting your money.

When did you ever use your spare tire? Are you planning to let's say, you
got a flat and it happens to be on the same side so youc an contimue to
drive as long as you want with no spare tire to use?
JD - 09 Jan 2009 05:04 GMT
> Look. if you already got the tire and want to keep it, then just keep it. If
> you are going to buy a spare tire to 'match' your other tires, then you are
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> got a flat and it happens to be on the same side so youc an contimue to
> drive as long as you want with no spare tire to use?

Not as long as I *want*; as long as I *have* to. Don't know where you
live but there places in the west where you could go 100+ miles before
getting to a place that could fix it. Having staggered 17" wheels and a
stock 15" spare, I have a few things to remedy, first to match the rears
to the front then to find a 17" spare. The critical aspect of the spare
is that it HAS to match the the rear's rolling circumference. If you've
never used a spare, your driving must be limited to urban environments
or you're newly licensed. I've used a spare perhaps 5 times in 40 years;
not often but I'm damn glad I had an operating spare each time.

JD
Tiger - 09 Jan 2009 05:12 GMT
The reason for specific tire sizes recommended for your car is because of
rolling diameter.... not rolling width.

At the most, they will allow maximum deviation of 3% from original tire
size... alot of time, it will be less than 1%.

Do you calculation... ((width in mm X ratio of tire) / 25.4) times two +
rim diameter = rolling diameter in inch.
JD - 09 Jan 2009 17:14 GMT
> The reason for specific tire sizes recommended for your car is because of
> rolling diameter.... not rolling width.
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> Do you calculation... ((width in mm X ratio of tire) / 25.4) times two +
> rim diameter = rolling diameter in inch.

I know. The rolling circumference of the 245/40 x 17 in the rear 8.5"
wide wheels is a little *less* than the 225/45 x 17 tires on the front.
If you subscribe to the practice of tire rotation you understand why I'm
 putting a pair of 7.5 wide wheels on the back. In addition if I needed
to use the spare an 8.5" wide wheel won't clear in the front and the
mismatch of a 7.5" wheel/tire opposite the 8.5" wouldn't be good for the
differential.
Tiger - 09 Jan 2009 21:53 GMT
Zero tire rotation when you have staggered tire setup and I understand you
want to eliminate the staggered tire setup and go all 4 wheels 225/45R17.

Stock spare tire is all you need in case of emergency, even 100 miles is
fine as it is "real" tire, not stupid donut spare tires.

Chances are, you can't even fit the 7.5" spare tire in and have the trunk
floor flat... you will have a hump in the middle.
JD - 09 Jan 2009 21:57 GMT
> Zero tire rotation when you have staggered tire setup and I understand you
> want to eliminate the staggered tire setup and go all 4 wheels 225/45R17.
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> Chances are, you can't even fit the 7.5" spare tire in and have the trunk
> floor flat... you will have a hump in the middle.

Good point. I'll check before I replace the 15" spare
 
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