Hyundai Genesis quieter, better than MB E-Class?

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Figaro - 26 Feb 2009 22:52 GMT

Such is the marketing claim. Any comments from you MB folks?

Cheers,
Figaro

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GP - 26 Feb 2009 23:00 GMT

> Such is the marketing claim. Any comments from you MB folks?
>
> Cheers,
> Figaro

<snort> When that Hyundai is 18 years old maybe
then it'll be as quiet as my '92 300D because it
won't be running.

JD

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thekeener1@shaw.ca - 03 Mar 2009 06:07 GMT

> > Such is the marketing claim. Any comments from you MB folks?
>
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>
> JD

The day of the benz is over. It has only been recently that Mercedes
and BMW were even top safety picks. Remember you are buying the star,
not quality. The S Series and The Trucks like the ML brough Mercedes
quality to industry lows.
AUDI will sell more cars in Europe than either bmw or mercedes by the
end of 2010.
I own a Benz, its nice but unreliable and expensive to fix. There have
been numerous electrical issues.
The dealers don't have the trained manpower to fix them quick enough.
The new Korean and even Toyota products are already more reliable,
lower owner cost, etc. I
think BMW and Mercedes dont have the resources to win the battle in
the long run.

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Elder - 07 Mar 2009 13:46 GMT

In article <aff01407-d2df-4c9c-bd14-2904cd5e76c6
@r3g2000vbp.googlegroups.com>, thekeener1@shaw.ca says...

> > > Such is the marketing claim. Any comments from you MB folks?
> >
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> think BMW and Mercedes dont have the resources to win the battle in
> the long run.

See you should have bought a W123 or Early W124 300D (or any vehicle
using the pre-CDI engine (MB or licenses)).
Designed act as a mobile nuclear bunker and burn almost any heavy fuel
oil. When things get really tough and the mad max world meets to failing
western economies, you would have been one of the last few moving.

People laugh as sSangyong Mussos and Korandos, but when you need to ram
the baricade to steal used veg oil to get to the last remaining job
interview, you will be the one laughing at the Korean tractor jokes.

The Koreans like Hyundai, and sSangyong are doing now what Japan did in
the 70's but the evolutionary cycle is faster.

I like MBs but they lost their way and allowed Beancounters to design
car instead of engineers. Hopefully those days are over.

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Dori A Schmetterling - 07 Mar 2009 16:03 GMT

Merc diesel engines are not that different to Audi (& BMW) ones. Similar
technology, no?

All turbodiesels requiring low-sulfur fuel.

DAS

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erschroedinger@gmail.com - 09 Mar 2009 18:44 GMT

On Mar 3, 2:07 am, thekeen...@shaw.ca wrote:

> > > Such is the marketing claim. Any comments from you MB folks?
>
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> The day of the benz is over. It has only been recently that Mercedes
> and BMW were even top safety picks.

Picked by whom?

>Remember you are buying the star,
> not quality. The S Series and The Trucks like the ML brough Mercedes
> quality to industry lows.

Mercedes is climbing back up. 2/3 of its US models are now reliable
enough for Consumer Reports to recommend them.

> AUDI will sell more cars in Europe than either bmw or mercedes by the
> end of 2010.

Including Mini and Smart? Audi gets to count A3 and isn't there an
even smaller A2 coming?

> I own a Benz, its nice but unreliable and expensive to fix. There have
> been numerous electrical issues.

They're improving. I'm on my 4th (08 ML350) and it's the most
reliable of the 4. (Main problem: squeaking wipers.)

> The dealers don't have the trained manpower to fix them quick enough.

They do here.

> The new Korean and even Toyota products are already more reliable,
> lower owner cost, etc. I

Sure, but would you rather be in a Hyundai or a Mercedes?

> think BMW and Mercedes dont have the resources to win the battle in
> the long run.

Mercedes and BMW don't have to match Hyundai in sales; in fact, why
would they even want to? Fewer sales = exclusivity.

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