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Car Forum / Mercedes-Benz Cars / May 2009

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Access to Wiper Motor '91 SL

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John Reichert - 15 May 2009 21:52 GMT
I would like some advice in reaching to the wiper motor and linkage on my
1991 300 SL.  I've had the linkage lubricated several times by  MB shops but
this has not prevented the wiper from stopping.  When I need the wiper while
driving in the rain, it will run from 5 to 10 minutes and then stop.  It may
start again on it's own or I can change the speed and to make it run again.
But this trick is only temporary before the wiper stops again.

The repair shops can not duplicate the problem, so they lub. the linkage and
move to the next job.

It has been suggested: replace motor, linkage, switch, etc to solve the
problem once and for all. This seems to be overkill.   I would like to try
to find the root cause for the problem myself and save a few dollars while
learning.

Any suggestion would be appreciated on how and what is needed to gain
access.  Or a web site showing how to remove the arm, hub, etc to reach
motor, linkage, etc.

Thanks
John
Roland Franzius - 15 May 2009 22:52 GMT
John Reichert schrieb:
> I would like some advice in reaching to the wiper motor and linkage on my
> 1991 300 SL.  I've had the linkage lubricated several times by  MB shops but
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> access.  Or a web site showing how to remove the arm, hub, etc to reach
> motor, linkage, etc.

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is showing the pane wiper assembly. Put the hood vertically, remove the
plastic cover of the air duct and water drain. Then you will be able to
remove the complete assembly which is fixed by three bolts typically.

Open the gear plate of the motor. Then you will see if the worm gear has
lost some teeth. Eventually you will need a new motor.

In any case demount, clean and grease the pane wiper gear completley,
especially the shifting bolt and bering.

At disassembling take a series of photos or put marks on the parts to
remember the positioning, its not so easy to put the excenter gearing
together in the same unique position.

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Roland  Franzius

John Reichert - 16 May 2009 12:44 GMT
Thanks Roland,

Your are correct about all the parts and fairing that must be removed.  I
will take your suggestion and photograph before going any further in the
disassembly. It is not real obvious how the part come apart so I need to
proceed with caution so as not to break anything or drop screws, etc

Looking at all the leaves, acorns and other road debris in the area and a
filthy intake filter, I can see how much effort was taken to lubricate the
linkage in the past.

Thanks
John

> John Reichert schrieb:
>> I would like some advice in reaching to the wiper motor and linkage on my
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> remember the positioning, its not so easy to put the excenter gearing
> together in the same unique position.
David J - 16 May 2009 21:41 GMT
>Thanks Roland,
>
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>> remember the positioning, its not so easy to put the excenter gearing
>> together in the same unique position.

Roland, I suggest that you pay a visit to this website:

http://www.benzworld.org/forums/

Sign in, find your model's forum, and a wealth of information will
come your way - especially for the older model M-Bs.  I've been a
member there since 2006.

dj
Roland Franzius - 17 May 2009 21:30 GMT
I haven't done a deep look into the pane wipeer motor of the W202
because mine had bitten its plastic worm gear and I had to buy a
replacement motor. That was kaputt after one year probably because I
hadn't paid attention to the inner life of the gearing. Fortunately MB
replaces any part during 2 years of warranty.

Now I had the same problem as yours with the Xenon headlamp washer
motor. It seems to have a PCT resistor in the circuit which heats up if
the motor has to work too hard for a too long time. The motor stops then
working but goes back to rest position when you start the car after a
cooling down period of an hour or so.

The basic problem with the pane wiper is to remove the friction in the
wiper gear and to avoid a too hard pressure of the blade against the
windshield.

Most of the friction comes from the worn out wiper link which happens
not to give in for the contour of the windshield.

So grease that link and the pumping axis regularly.

The second important source of friction is dirt and old grease the
excenter gear axers and bushings and the bushing for the radial pumping
wiper holder.

Remove the plastic cover and losen all screws and  clean and grease all
parts with longlife grease. If after that cure the gear does't work like
butter then replace it. Otherwise it will eat the motor.

Roland Franzius

> Hi Roland,
>
> I ran the wiper for 15 minutes with the grill, faring over the motor
and linkage removed.  Not a problem.  I then had the engine running with
the wiper running for another 15 minutes.  No problem.   I checked the
temperature of the motor using a small Infra Red Temperature gun, it got
up to about 115°F.   It was just warm to the touch.

> At this time there has been no lubricant used on any part by me.  I
wanted to duplicate the problem and see how long the wiper would run
before stopping.  So far, I've done no better than the repair shops.
This may be a real stretch, but maybe the debris removed when the access
panels were removed has somehow improved something. say cooling to the
motor.  There is a filter about 20 inches long by 3 wide, that is
filthy.  It needs to be replaced.

> I'm going to use my portable compressor to blow out more of the dust
and any other debris laying in the tray below the motor and linkage.
Probably lubricate the linkage and reinstall the parts.  I don't know
what else to try at this time.

> I did find that several of the plastic parts that cover the area
below the windshield had broken attachment brackets but not by me.   So
it appears, the shops must have tried to fix the problem.  I posted a
question to see if anyone has tried to repair these black colored
plastic parts using an adhesive with success.

> Thanks
>
> John
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roland Franzius"
<roland.franzius@uos.de>
> To: "John Reichert" <johnareichert@insightbb.com>
> Sent: Saturday, May 16, 2009 1:59 PM
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>> John Reichert schrieb:
>>> Hi Roland,  After getting a look at the linkage, the rubber bushing
or grommets where the arms pivot on all look dry.  Any idea of a go
lubiricate. I was going to use a silicon spray.   Any experience using
silicon spray on rubber parts?

> Thanks Roland,
>
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>> remember the positioning, its not so easy to put the excenter gearing
>> together in the same unique position.
John Reichert - 18 May 2009 17:36 GMT
Roland, I removed the cover to the wiper motor worm gear.  I have not
unbolted it or removed the motor from the car.

The worm gear is metal and the large circular gear is plastic about 3 inch
diameter.  The grease is fairly hard to the touch. Probably due to age. And
there isn't any visible grease on the worm gear.  It appears most of the
grease was slung on to the gear box cover.

Would your recommend removing the harden grease and then pack the cavity
with new grease.  Should the plastic gear be pulled for inspection.  The
area I can see has contact probably for the motor to return to neutral when
switched off.

Thanks
John

>I haven't done a deep look into the pane wipeer motor of the W202 because
>mine had bitten its plastic worm gear and I had to buy a replacement motor.
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>>> remember the positioning, its not so easy to put the excenter gearing
>>> together in the same unique position.
 
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