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Car Forum / Mercedes-Benz Cars / September 2009Mercedes 190D with CDI OM 651 motor
From 72 to 204 HP at 5 l/100km or 43 mpg http://www.spiegel.de/fotostrecke/fotostrecke-44990.html#backToArticle=640264 The trick is a blackbox simulating the CAN-BUS signals for the engine:-)  SignatureRoland Franzius Roland Franzius ha scritto: > From 72 to 204 HP at 5 l/100km or 43 mpg > > http://www.spiegel.de/fotostrecke/fotostrecke-44990.html#backToArticle=640264 > > The trick is a blackbox simulating the CAN-BUS signals for the engine:-) What's the reason of this really expensive 'transplantation'? I don't understand German, unfortunately. So, I'd like to understand (briefly) the story... I understood that there's a consumption advantage, but I'm unsure on the two terms of comparison. So: could you please give to the non-German speaking audience of this ng a wider comprehention of the article? Tks in advance. :-) > Roland Franzius ha scritto: >> From 72 to 204 HP at 5 l/100km or 43 mpg [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > understand German, unfortunately. So, I'd like to understand (briefly) > the story... The owner is a Mercedes engineer. > I understood that there's a consumption advantage, but I'm unsure on the > two terms of comparison. Those old w201 diesels are really slow. I guess he wanted a faster one. He went from 72 BHP to 204 BHP :) > So: could you please give to the non-German speaking audience of this ng > a wider comprehention of the article? Tks in advance. The guy is the head of the department that builds 'study vehicles' (probably the wrong term). Interesting to see he still drives a w201. They wanted to show how much engine performance has improved. X. Ximinez ha scritto: >> Roland Franzius ha scritto: >>> From 72 to 204 HP at 5 l/100km or 43 mpg [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > > X. I see... mmm... yes, the point is 'how much a prototype (=study vehicle) based on a 72 BHP engine is now safe, with a 204 BHP. I mean 'safe' as: are brakes adequate? Steering? Chassis? Ok, ok, it's just an exercise. A 'media-exercise'. Or a 'ballon d'essai' as it would be probably qualified in France... :-) And... no, I don't want to awake you up from your dreams, but I doubt he can drive a w201. At least, if he is in Germany, without the gruene-plakette. Most probably it's one of the cars bought by Mercedes with their 'Young Classic' program... http://young-classics.mercedes-benz-classic.com/ As far as I can understand, they are buying back old MB in order to sell new models... :-) click on Classic wanted... > Ximinez ha scritto: >>> Roland Franzius ha scritto: [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > based on a 72 BHP engine is now safe, with a 204 BHP. I mean 'safe' as: > are brakes adequate? Steering? Chassis? Prototype, yeah, that's the word. There are quite fast w201's, the 2.6, the Evo, the Evo II. It's just that the diesels were very slow. > Ok, ok, it's just an exercise. A 'media-exercise'. Or a 'ballon d'essai' > as it would be probably qualified in France... :-) [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > gruene-plakette. Most probably it's one of the cars bought by Mercedes > with their 'Young Classic' program... Unlike in my own country Holland, in Germany, people can retrofit their old cars with catalysts etc. and get a higher environmental class. If you replace the engine, you'll get the plakette that belongs to the new engine. > http://young-classics.mercedes-benz-classic.com/ > > As far as I can understand, they are buying back old MB in order to sell > new models... :-) click on Classic wanted... Naah, they only want really well maintained models 'in excellent condition'. That'll be only a tiny fraction of the classic population. X. Ximinez ha scritto: > Unlike in my own country Holland, in Germany, people can retrofit their > old cars with catalysts etc. and get a higher environmental class. If > you replace the engine, you'll get the plakette that belongs to the new > engine. Holland is just like my country (Italy). As I always said to my german colleagues: Germany is the last motor-enthusiast wonderland of Europe... :-D Hallo out there, in Germany these old Dieselmodels,with out Exhaustfilter, are punished by high taxes for their relative big enginedisplacement 2 litre for only 72HP. Second many Cities are no longer allow them to drive around. You have to fit an Exhaustfilter, wich is not cheap and not for every engine available. Since there are quiet a few enthusiasts are around, putting a new engine in a sound body of a MB190D can be interesting. The new engine fill fit easily. It is just as big as the old one and lighter. The transmission will also be changed. The main problem ist the electronic.The old car has none. From point of safety. The car was build in the germanversion with same brakes from 72 to 160HP. So a little bit more is not the issue. There are conversions to 5l V8 around with the AMG engine and 360HP. These heavier engines are a little bit to much for the car. I own a 2l gasoline 190 with catalysator so i have no problem with our environmental laws and plan to drive it as long as possible. It is a very good and still fast car. Greetings Max Cordy schrieb: > Ximinez ha scritto: > > Unlike in my own country Holland, in Germany, people can retrofit [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > colleagues: Germany is the last motor-enthusiast wonderland of > Europe... :-D HP No. He wanted to create a wolf in sheep's clothing... Imagine pootling behind this low-powered 'old-timer' (still in remarkably good nick, judging by the pictures, but then my 1993 190E doesn't look bad, either) and suddenly finding it difficult to overtake it as it accelerates. Or he sidles up to a modern car already doing 100 mph and overtakes it fairly rapidly... Endless fun... DAS To send an e-mail directly replace "spam" with "schmetterling" --- [...] > The guy is the head of the department that builds 'study vehicles' > (probably the wrong term). Interesting to see he still drives a w201. > > They wanted to show how much engine performance has improved. > > X. |
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