This reminds me. A custom shop around here has a sign up that says
We do 3 kinds of work here. You pick 2.
If it's fast and good it won't be cheap
If it's fast and cheap it won't be good
If it's good and cheap it won't be fast.
Richard
> Not enough auto mechanics:
>
> http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/business/6387113.htm
> Not enough auto mechanics:
>
> http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/business/6387113.htm
I know that many americans are not very fond of people from other
countries, which criticise the way they run their country. Nevertheless:
The low quality of labor in the US may also result out of a lack of
mandatory training. In Germany it is common that you have a three year
training before you can call yourself a car mechanic. If you want to run
your own repair shop you either have to get the master car mechanic
degree (Kfz-Meister), or you have to employ such a person in your
company.
The lots of regulations you have to fulfill in Germany before you are
allowed to run a company to repair cars, toilets or TV sets, are often
regarded as being "socialistic" and against the idea of free enterprises.
At least this principle grants a certain level of craftmanship (which you
can see very accurately if you compare the finish of an US made Mercedes
to a Mercedes made in Germany.
BTW: A car mecanic in Germany gets some 15 USD per hour (Tariff
negotiated by workers union). How much do they pay in the USA?

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Helen - 26 Jul 2003 23:10 GMT
Imho it is no different than anything else: EVERY thing must be fast and easy and
totally completed within 50 minutes (exlcuding commericals)...that's the mentality:
money for nothing! That's the American way - there is no premium on quality - if
quality ever existed in the U$A it was long before my time - it's the 'I want mine NOW'
to hell with you' philosophy. A good mechanic in the u$a is rarer than gold. They don't
care - just give them the $5g and if your car gets down the block, fine, if it doesn't tough
nuggies! That's your problem. The u$a is a litiguous society - people have to be forced
to do what they are paid to do. .. the only way to get their attention is to hit their pocketbook
and that means take them to court! Just look at the military in Iraq and elsewhere - whinning
to come home to mommy. They are a spoiled bunch who've never done a day's work in their
lives and the little taste of it in the desert has them crying for mommy...when they aren't in
'war' they are grossly overpaid for an estimated 40 hours of work per month and 25 of that
is running (jogging) on the highway in their designer tennis shoes and warm-up suits. What
a pity. Indeed the u$a is not like it used to be. It won't be long until the rest of the world
sees the myth - then it will be 'katy bar the door'. So the shotty mechanics are just part
of what America is all about -
: > Not enough auto mechanics:
: >
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
: BTW: A car mecanic in Germany gets some 15 USD per hour (Tariff
: negotiated by workers union). How much do they pay in the USA?
Alexander S. Wood - 26 Jul 2003 23:38 GMT
Imho it is no different than anything else: EVERY thing must be fast and
easy and
totally completed within 50 minutes (exlcuding commericals)...that's the
mentality:
money for nothing! That's the American way - there is no premium on
quality - if
quality ever existed in the U$A it was long before my time - it's the 'I
want mine NOW'
to hell with you' philosophy. A good mechanic in the u$a is rarer than
gold. They don't
care - just give them the $5g and if your car gets down the block, fine, if
it doesn't tough
nuggies! That's your problem. The u$a is a litiguous society - people
have to be forced
to do what they are paid to do. .. the only way to get their attention is to
hit their pocketbook
and that means take them to court! Just look at the military in Iraq and
elsewhere - whinning
to come home to mommy. They are a spoiled bunch who've never done a day's
work in their
lives and the little taste of it in the desert has them crying for
mommy...when they aren't in
'war' they are grossly overpaid for an estimated 40 hours of work per month
and 25 of that
is running (jogging) on the highway in their designer tennis shoes and
warm-up suits. What
a pity. Indeed the u$a is not like it used to be. It won't be long until
the rest of the world
sees the myth - then it will be 'katy bar the door'. So the shotty
mechanics are just part
of what America is all about -
Geez I'd hate to think what would happen if you didn't have this NG as an
outlet for your fury............

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Camille - 27 Jul 2003 02:03 GMT
> Imho it is no different than anything else: EVERY thing must be fast and
> easy and
[quoted text clipped - 30 lines]
> Geez I'd hate to think what would happen if you didn't have this NG as an
> outlet for your fury............
So I think we are clearly performing a valuable service for all mankind
by simply being here for "Helen". But sheesh, what an unfortunate point
of view she has.
Sure we Americans have a few rough spots but we are all in this together
after all.
Who knows, maybe we can make things a little better by tipping the
waitress a little extra next time or refraining from flipping off that
rude BMW driver (well, at least consider the BMW driver thing).
I always think of McBrue when I read a post like Helen's. Just sitting
down there under the bridge watching life go by and happy to be part of
it...
Dale (not Camille)
Helen - 27 Jul 2003 02:25 GMT
: > Imho it is no different than anything else: EVERY thing must be fast and
: > easy and
[quoted text clipped - 43 lines]
: it...
: Dale (not Camille)
Well it isn't usually my perspective on things, but after this week's experience
it was the straw that broke the camel's back, so to speak. I've received some
good information from this ng and I am appreciative, howsomeever, if the shoe
fits....
;)
Helen
Chris O'Malley - 27 Jul 2003 04:28 GMT
How exactly does one get to be this ignorant. I hope you are 19 years
old.... I'd hate to think your post has the benefit of any world
experience....
You see one soldier on the news who has reaped the benefits of the military
life he chose, and who now doesn't wan't to do his job, and you think that's
indicative of americans in general??? It's a volunteer army, and they did
one hell of a job. Doesn't sound spoiled to me. Ironically, I've just come
home from a party for two friends who returned from Iraq.... They did what
they had to do, and will continue to do so, without whining....
Your statement that people are grossly overpaid implies that the money they
are being paid should go elsewhere... to who? The government? Please
explain......
>if quality ever existed in the U$A it was long before my time
Huh?
]
Imho it is no different than anything else: EVERY thing must be fast and
easy and
totally completed within 50 minutes (exlcuding commericals)...that's the
mentality:
money for nothing! That's the American way - there is no premium on
quality - if
quality ever existed in the U$A it was long before my time - it's the 'I
want mine NOW'
to hell with you' philosophy. A good mechanic in the u$a is rarer than
gold. They don't
care - just give them the $5g and if your car gets down the block, fine, if
it doesn't tough
nuggies! That's your problem. The u$a is a litiguous society - people
have to be forced
to do what they are paid to do. .. the only way to get their attention is to
hit their pocketbook
and that means take them to court! Just look at the military in Iraq and
elsewhere - whinning
to come home to mommy. They are a spoiled bunch who've never done a day's
work in their
lives and the little taste of it in the desert has them crying for
mommy...when they aren't in
'war' they are grossly overpaid for an estimated 40 hours of work per month
and 25 of that
is running (jogging) on the highway in their designer tennis shoes and
warm-up suits. What
a pity. Indeed the u$a is not like it used to be. It won't be long until
the rest of the world
sees the myth - then it will be 'katy bar the door'. So the shotty
mechanics are just part
of what America is all about -
: greek_philosophizer <greek_philosophizer@hotmail.com> hat in Betrag
: news:3F229646.5020000@hotmail.com dies gedichtet:
[quoted text clipped - 26 lines]
:
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marlinspike - 27 Jul 2003 01:28 GMT
"Frank Kemper" <spam-muelleimer@gmx.de> wrote in message
> BTW: A car mecanic in Germany gets some 15 USD per hour (Tariff
> negotiated by workers union). How much do they pay in the USA?
From what I hear a master tech at a big shop gets around 150grand USD per
year
Richard
greek_philosophizer - 27 Jul 2003 15:09 GMT
> greek_philosophizer <greek_philosophizer@hotmail.com> hat in Betrag
>>Not enough auto mechanics:
>>http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/business/6387113.htm
> I know that many americans are not very fond of people from other
> countries, which criticise the way they run their country. Nevertheless:
I am not one of those Americans.
From what I have seen, those who are unwilling to
listen to criticism are much more likely to make
serious mistakes.
I grew up in an area about 60 miles north of
Philadelphia and back then there was a huge
thriving steel mill, a huge thriving truck
manufacturing plant, a pompous country club where
the top managers and their socialite cronies
played golf and a good economy with a
healthy cosmopolitan liberal attitude.
However whenever anything would be questioned -
in my experience - the response was "Thats the
way its always been done".
Now the Steel plant is gone, the Truck plant is
gone, most of the rest of the economy appears
gone. The area has descended into a subtle, mean,
angry squabbling fight over diminished resources
all glossed over by a thin veneer of civilization.
Its better to seek criticism while it can
still do some good.
.
Dori Schmetterling - 31 Jul 2003 18:16 GMT
So it should be better in Atlanta, is/was this not one of the US's fastest
growing cities?
DAS
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greek_philosophizer - 31 Jul 2003 22:37 GMT
> So it should be better in Atlanta, is/was this not one of the US's fastest
> growing cities?
In these situations moving is usually
the answer. Many have left. Atlanta
is also, from what I hear as well
as infer, a very good
selection for many many reasons.
!
.
I think this problem is more prevalent in the big cities of the US. Simply
put, the mechanics will always have another customer tomorrow, now matter
how poorly they treat you. I also have a saab, and i take it to kingston, NY
(upstate) every time I need work done on it. They do an excellent job every
time, because they can't afford damage to their reputations.... It's very
different from the overcrowded population centers...
> Not enough auto mechanics:
>
> http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/business/6387113.htm
>Not enough auto mechanics:
>
>http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/business/6387113.htm
Goddam! ''There's not a dealership in South Florida that doesn't have
at least one technician earning at least $100,000,'' Keller said.
I would have thought they would be queueing up, $100k for turning
spanners.....

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