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Mercedes Reliability

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JSK - 21 May 2004 18:32 GMT
Help!
I'm in the market for a new vehicle I am leaning toward a new Mercedes C
Class 4Matic over the competition, Lexus/Infinity/Acura/Audi/Saab/etc. It
just feels like SO much better of a vehicle then all the others when you get
in, sit behind the wheel and drive it. The only thing that worries me are
all the reports that say Mercedes has such poor reliability. I'm tired of
hearing all the salesmen of the competition bashing the Mercedes too. Is
there anything to these poor reports? What's everyones experience concerning
this issue?
Thanks for any and all relevant comments!
Later....
Thomas J. Paladino Jr. - 21 May 2004 19:39 GMT
> Help!
> I'm in the market for a new vehicle I am leaning toward a new Mercedes C
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> Thanks for any and all relevant comments!
> Later....

Ok, here't the deal. I currently own 4 late model MBs, and have owned a few
older ones too. And while I can't speak directly about the C-class, I can
tell you  about Mercedes quality issues in general.

With all of the cars I currently own, I have never had a single major
mechanical issue ever (engine, exhaust, transmission, steering etc.). The
closest I have ever come to a problem in those areas were a broken motor
mount on my SLK, and a snapped exhaust hangar, also on my SLK. Both can be
attributed to hard driving on less-than-ideal Manhattan streets, and both
were promptly repaired under warranty with no questions asked.

That's not to say that the cars are trouble-free, because they are not.
Things like vacuum pumps seem to break, and the lighbulbs on the dash seem
to go out more than they should. There have been some issues with my
windshield washer pumps, and with the climate control on my 1995 S-class
(notorious problem for that particular model). And the power headrests on my
04 E-class have needed replacement.

There have been a few others on each car, but that is typical of the
problems you encounter with these cars. For the most part, the engine and
transmission are rock solid. The maintenence issues generally surround the
smaller components. But don't get me wrong, it's not like it's a constant
thing by any means. I'm just saying that when something breaks, it's usually
something relatively minor (as long as the car get's it's scheduled
maintenence and such).

And I also have to say that the warranty on these cars are second to none.
The dealerships never haggle over what items are covered or not, they just
fix whatever problems there are, period. And the free mercedes roadside
assistance is also without peer. Other luxury cars offer some kind of
roadside service, but believe me when I say that nobody comes close to MB on
this one.

Of course I am biased, but I wouldn't have invested almost $200,000 of my
money in MB cars if I wasn't a satisfied customer.

Thomas Paladino
New York City
04 S430
04 E320
99 SLK230
95 S320
T.G. Lambach - 21 May 2004 20:01 GMT
Unfortunately there's substance to the reports of poor to average
quality. It's concentrated in the SUV model and in the complex, bleeding
edge gadgets that get installed in all models.

During the first four years the M-B warranty covers most things,
thereafter I believe it can be extended and you should investigate that
aspect of the warranty before you commit to a M-B.

Remember, the more standard a car is the more reliable it will be -
regardless of brand. If you don't NEED 4-matic don't buy it for that
reason (and some fuel saving).

As you may have observed on this site, we M-B owners have a love hate
relationship with our cars. We have high expectations (in line with the
price and hype) and love the way the cars drive but then hate it and are
enraged when they break; the repair cost, particularly from dealers, is
high.
wolfgang@66.usenet.us.com - 21 May 2004 20:25 GMT
> It's concentrated in the SUV model..

Much improved.  Here's the latest quality report, ranking the M-Class
second in the Entry Luxury SUV category.  

http://www.jdpower.com/presspass/pr/images/2004037dfull.gif

Wolfgang
MCBRUE - 21 May 2004 21:59 GMT
The only car that has ever stranded me by the side of the road is a Mercedes. I
have called the service line to get service on the road and they told me to
just drive it on in to the nearest shop! And the time I was stopped by the
roadside, they did call the nearest shop for me, but I had to find the tow
truck myself.

Service is a real problem. The dealerships are really clip joints when it comes
to pricing. And they do tend to overdo it on fixing, but that is how you keep
them in new shape. Example is my recent $4500 projected front end repair bills
that two other shops quoted at $900 and $0 actualy needed. The alignment shop
did not find any extra things to do besides the alignment either. So buy one
and enjoy it but dump it when the warranty runs out!

mcbrue straightspeakingly under the bridge in the trailer down by the river

96 S420
Gerald L R Stubbs - 22 May 2004 00:00 GMT
You boys are all talking about new cars.

I will tell it to you from the point of view of someone who has had
five Mercs now,  all of them bought at small money with high
mileages (typically 100,000+)

Here in the UK we have an annual mechanical test of all vehicles
over three years old,  which I think you have something similar,
and none of my mercs have ever failed permenantly on the mechanical
side of things.  Any small faults found during the test were easily
fixed,  such as worn track-rod ends and the like,  which I consider
wear-parts just the same as brake pads and suchlike.

The ones that eventually ended-up on the heap were due to body
corrosion,  and never to anything mechanical.  I live very close to
the sea in a temperate climate,  and this is the fate of most cars in
the UK.  In Texas,  cars probably go to the scrap heap when the
mechanicals are too expensive to fix;  here it is the opposite,  the
mechanicals normally keep going long past the body rotting.

I presently own two G-Wagens,  one with 80 thou.  on the clock
and the other with 130 thou.  Both are rock-solid motor-cars,  and
neither of them miss a beat.  Totally dependable cars.  I have problems
with them,  of course,  but they are always minor things and never
a cause of worry to me.  Anything mechanical will fail eventually
even if maintained 100%,  but all the Mercs I have owned have
given me a great deal less grief in that respect than other makes
that I have had.

How Mercedes' reputation for reliability will fare after the amalgamation
with Chrysler,  and the policy that the conglomerate follows,  is
anyone's guess.

But from a user of old Mercedes cars over a long time,  I would say
that they have the edge on most other makes.  Heaven's -  I binned
my first Merc,  a 115 diesel,  after it had done 250,000 miles,  and I
bought it after it had finished its life as a taxi in Holland with 110,00
miles on the clock.....
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All the best,
Stubbsy.

Rich Williamson - 24 May 2004 16:12 GMT
> The only car that has ever stranded me by the side of the road is a Mercedes.
> I
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> 96 S420

I would agree... I have a lemon, and since I had complained to the
dealership, they have ignored returning my call on no less than 10
times...the service manager has turned over several times in 2 years
(mainly due to the stress of dealing with c class owners that are
pissed).  they refuse to do much more than turn it over to the regional
rep (who offered me $3,000 toward a new car...big deal since the car
cost $47,000 and if I bailed right now, I would be upside down by
$12,000).

They just don't care, they offer lip service...can you imagine any
reputable business, that tells a customer that they will look into
things, and then never ever calls them back with a resolution?  

They duck complaints, and avoid fixing problems...  the local dealer
cannot fix things, and will not make things right... they are rude and
not customer oriented.  I surely hope they don't treat S class buyers
the same way...  I am pissed at this treatement with a
C-class...treatment that I wouldn't accept from a Ford dealer.

Run like hell, MB will languish for a few years then after seeing a drop
in sales, get it's act together and reposition itself back in the
quality and service market...but for now, neither of those concepts are
apparant in my car an dealership!
Dori A Schmetterling - 23 May 2004 09:48 GMT
When I was in a dealership recently I spoke to the service adviser about
'quality', as he had spent many years as an electrician in Merc South Africa
and Merc UK.  When moving countries he had gone to a couple of other
manufacturers but returned to Merc as he found it a better place.

He confirmed an increase in problems in Mercs but also put it down to the
increasing complexity and electronic components.

DAS

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> Unfortunately there's substance to the reports of poor to average
> quality. It's concentrated in the SUV model and in the complex, bleeding
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> enraged when they break; the repair cost, particularly from dealers, is
> high.
Miro - 22 May 2004 03:41 GMT
> Help!
> I'm in the market for a new vehicle I am leaning toward a new Mercedes C
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> Thanks for any and all relevant comments!
> Later....

The early C-Class W203 2000 and 2001 had numerous small problems. None of
these problems were significant except that some people had fuel leaks in a
place where it was a known error.

Most of the problems seemed to be easily resolved. So there is no cause for
alarm.
Bill Darden - 22 May 2004 10:04 GMT
I leased a new German E220 Diesel Station Wagon manufactured in
December of 2000 and have 125,000 kms (78,000 miles) on it and the
following has been replaced so far:

Brake Switch
Injector
Power Steering Pump
Two Turbochargers
Lower Ball Joints
Intake Manifold
Alternator
Rear Seat Release Cable

I had high expections and I am exteremely disappointed in the quality.
For a while, I was spending more time with the local Mercedes service
managers than I was with my wife.  They even would kid me about having
a car that was built on a Monday.

Kindest regards from Garmisch-Partenkirchen,

BiLL.......  

>Help!
>I'm in the market for a new vehicle I am leaning toward a new Mercedes C
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>Thanks for any and all relevant comments!
>Later....
Dori A Schmetterling - 23 May 2004 09:50 GMT
Still skiing in Garmisch, or has the snow melted?

DAS

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> I leased a new German E220 Diesel Station Wagon manufactured in
> December of 2000 and have 125,000 kms (78,000 miles) on it and the
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> >Thanks for any and all relevant comments!
> >Later....
Miro - 23 May 2004 16:04 GMT
> I leased a new German E220 Diesel Station Wagon manufactured in
> December of 2000 and have 125,000 kms (78,000 miles) on it and the
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> Alternator
> Rear Seat Release Cable

Well yes we all know about the Mercedes turbocharger.

How on earth did you break a manifold ....... you should try driving on
roads.
Bill Darden - 29 May 2004 10:23 GMT
The intake manifold is made of plastic and it was the [non-replacable]
control arm on one of the valves that had a "clean" break.  My guess
one of the Merchedes mechanics did it while he was troubleshooting
the original turbocharger problem.  It failed with a bad bearing.  The
replacement turbocharger lasted about three months and less than
10,000 kms.

Kindest regards,

BiLL.........



>> I leased a new German E220 Diesel Station Wagon manufactured in
>> December of 2000 and have 125,000 kms (78,000 miles) on it and the
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>How on earth did you break a manifold ....... you should try driving on
>roads.
searun - 31 May 2004 14:52 GMT
My 2004 C240 4matic is 10 months old. The car was excellent in all respects
thru an American Midwest winter. The all wheel drive with traction control,
anti-skid, etc, was quite good (I have driven SUV's and Audi quattro). For
city driving, the car beats an SUV. I wish the suspension was tighter, but
the car still feels pretty good at 134 MPH (great at 110!). My one problem
with the car: an annoying rattle from the center console area, my dealer
pulled the wood paneling and added a bit of foam insulation behind  it. That
took care of things.

Back to the suspension, if you don't really need 4matic, I'd take a serious
look at a C230 or C320 sport sedan!
Nota Clu - 22 May 2004 12:48 GMT
http://www.mercedes-benz-usa.com/

here is a complaint site
Ptolemy - 22 May 2004 12:59 GMT
I think what we can only give you is our personal experience and perceptions.

I am no longer a fan of Mercedes as a vehicle that expresses reliability,
longevity, and exquisite engineering.  But my experiences are tainted with the
purchase of just one Mercedes - a 1983 380SL that has major engine design
problem that is going to cost me a lot of $'s to fix and Mercedes refuses to
acknowledge.  Personally, if your intent is to purchase a new Mercedes and get
rid of it when the warrantee expires, and you like the Mercedes, then go for it.
If your intent is purchase a new Mercedes for the long haul, I suggest:  a) stop
looking at Mercedes and run as fast as you can to the Lexus dealership hoping
that lust for the Mercedes will subside, or b) consider a pre-owned Mercedes but
first research potential problems that the particular model might have.

Also, I have noted over the years that the quality, enginneering, and longevity
of Japanese vehicles have narrowed the gap that made Mercedes the ultimate in
automobilia and might have even exceeded Mercedes.  Today we have many Japanese
models that easily run reliably over 200k miles, and have quality appointments
with fit and finish that exceeds that of years past.  Today, Mercedes is just an
ordinary auto - not the ultimate in automobilia it once was - MHO of course.

> Help!
> I'm in the market for a new vehicle I am leaning toward a new Mercedes C
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> Thanks for any and all relevant comments!
> Later....
Rich Williamson - 24 May 2004 15:50 GMT
> Help!
> I'm in the market for a new vehicle I am leaning toward a new Mercedes C
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> Thanks for any and all relevant comments!
> Later....

C-class has been plagued with electrical problems... many of which
MB-USA has told customers to "live with it"  turn signals, seat memory,
radio, etc.

While my car is a lemon (I will not relist all the problems here...if
you want search the archives an you will see the huge list), and that is
purely anectdotal, ...the online surveys don't lie... check out
edmonds.com, and you will see poor numbers for the car.  I am probably
buying an Audi or Porsche next.
JSK - 25 May 2004 14:54 GMT
Thanks everyone for all your comments!

> Help!
> I'm in the market for a new vehicle I am leaning toward a new Mercedes C
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> Thanks for any and all relevant comments!
> Later....
Richard - 26 May 2004 23:44 GMT
>Help!
>I'm in the market for a new vehicle I am leaning toward a new Mercedes C
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>Thanks for any and all relevant comments!
>Later....

Never owned a C class, but I'm on my third MB (all new) and never had a moments
bother.   My first was an SLK320, then a Diesel E 320 and now the CL500.  This
is the best by far, which is what I expected of course.   I cannot remember
anything needing to be fixed on any car whilst in my possession.   Services come
and go and the car goes on and on and on.   Can't expect more than that.
Guys - 27 May 2004 20:32 GMT
Hi i have had 4 new and one used,

the only issues i have had was on new pillarles coup when it got warm
would run like a dog took about a month to fix
in and out of MB

on a new C class had same problem kept cutting out when warm took 2 days
to fix apparently to do with wadding in the exhaust?

if we compare that to other new cars I have had the MB are far better
(hell I still buy them)
MCBRUE - 28 May 2004 00:02 GMT
So do you or any of your immediate family work for Mercedes? Or do you or any
of your more remote family receive any benefit from Mercedes other than driving
them?

mcbrue under the bridge in the trailer down by the river

96 S420
 
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