"T.G. Lambach" <tlambach@NoHamOrSpamcomcast.net> haute in die Tasten:
> S represents the top of line model
> E stands for for the german word for fuel injection
Besides that I'd like to mention: If you are talking about the 80's and
90's S-Class cars, there were only two 300 Models, SE and SEL. The SE was
the shorter one, the SEL had the longer wheelbase. The 300 E was the
smaller E class, the 300 GE was the 4WD vehicle. All shared the same
engine.
Frank

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Bob Moore - 07 Jun 2004 18:03 GMT
Frank Kemper <spam-muelleimer@gmx.de> wrote
> Besides that I'd like to mention: If you are talking about the 80's
> and 90's S-Class cars, there were only two 300 Models, SE and SEL. The
> SE was the shorter one, the SEL had the longer wheelbase. The 300 E
> was the smaller E class, the 300 GE was the 4WD vehicle. All shared
> the same engine.
Hmmm....I guess that my 1980 300SD isn't an "S" Class car. :-)
Bob Moore
Frank Kemper - 07 Jun 2004 21:33 GMT
Bob Moore <rmoore16@tampabay.rr.com> haute in die Tasten:
> Hmmm....I guess that my 1980 300SD isn't an "S" Class car. :-)
I suppose Genscher is not an U.S. resident, and the 300 SD officially was
not sold in the EU;-)
Frank

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Dori A Schmetterling - 07 Jun 2004 21:42 GMT
Don't be finicky: the SD is only a diesel version of the 300S.
Try took at these cars from a European perspective ;-)
There is a body shape which comes with a vast choice of engines from small
to big, in diesel and petrol. Nowadays there are more 'extras' included up
the engine scale, but I am pretty sure it wasn't as pronounced in the 'old'
days.
Got loads of money, you buy a big engine. You don't, you buy a small
engine.
DAS

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Dori A Schmetterling - 07 Jun 2004 21:54 GMT
..."took" = "to look"... (groan).
DAS

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Don & Jane G - 08 Jun 2004 11:34 GMT
> Don't be finicky: the SD is only a diesel version of the 300S.
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> DAS
Is the 300 for 3 liter size? Were there no 280 (2.8 liter) engines in USA
imports?
We have a 1982 280SE (2.8 liter)
Don
Tiger - 08 Jun 2004 14:26 GMT
There were no official 280SE in USA. These are grey market cars that people
brings over into USA and passed the DOT & EPA. The reasons people did this
is because the car is cheaper but has alot more power than a 500SE(L) engine
plus better fuel mileage.
Frank Kemper - 08 Jun 2004 15:19 GMT
"Don & Jane G" <donandjane@optusnet.com.au> haute in die Tasten:
> Is the 300 for 3 liter size? Were there no 280 (2.8 liter) engines in
> USA imports?
> We have a 1982 280SE (2.8 liter)
When Mercedes introduced the W126 series, the smallest engine was a 2.8
litre engine with carburators and some 160 hp, the name of the car was
280S. The 2.8 litre engine with fuel injection and some 185 hp was called
280 SE. The 280S did not sell well, because it delivered less power at
much higher fuel consumption, and taxes were the same. In 1985/1986 the
W126 underwent a major facelift and all gasoline engines were equipped
with fuel injection. The 2.8 carburator engine was replaced with a 2.6
litre fuel injection engine, the car was named 260SE. The old 2.8 litre
injection engine was replaced by a 3.0 litre injection engine, the cars
were called 300SE. I do not know if the 280S and the 260SE were sold in
the US.
If my memory serves me right, the W140 series (introduced around 1989)
was initially available in Germany with a 3.0 engine (300SE) and a 2.8
engine (300SE 2.8). Around 1992 Mercedes changed the nomenclature a
little bit and replaced the 3.0 engine with a 3.2 engine. By that point,
all Mercedes cars were fuel injected, so the letter "E" for
"Einspritzung" became obsolete. The new S-Class 3.2 litre car was simply
called S320.
BTW: Of course Mercedes always offered bigger engines for the S-Classes
of the '80s and '90s
Frank

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marlinspike - 08 Jun 2004 22:52 GMT
"Frank Kemper" <spam-muelleimer@gmx.de> wrote in message
>I do not know if the 280S and the 260SE were sold in
> the US.
In the US we had a 155hp 380SE and 380SEL, a 184 hp 500SEL and 500SEC, and a
300SDL and after 1985 we has a 420SEL 420SEC, 560SEL 560SEC, and 350SDL
marlinspike - 08 Jun 2004 22:54 GMT
Sorry, before 1986 there was also a 300SD
> "Frank Kemper" <spam-muelleimer@gmx.de> wrote in message
> >I do not know if the 280S and the 260SE were sold in
> > the US.
>
> In the US we had a 155hp 380SE and 380SEL, a 184 hp 500SEL and 500SEC, and a
> 300SDL and after 1985 we has a 420SEL 420SEC, 560SEL 560SEC, and 350SDL
Richard Sexton - 07 Jun 2004 18:08 GMT
>Besides that I'd like to mention: If you are talking about the 80's and
>90's S-Class cars, there were only two 300 Models, SE and SEL. The SE was
>the shorter one, the SEL had the longer wheelbase. The 300 E was the
>smaller E class, the 300 GE was the 4WD vehicle. All shared the same
>engine.
Don't forget the 300SD and 300SDL.
And the E300D. And the 300 wagons.

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