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2005 CLS 55 AMG

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greek_philosophizer - 20 Jul 2004 16:21 GMT
http://www.forbes.com/lifestyle/2004/07/20/cx_dl_0720vow.html

Mercedes-Benz has unveiled the 2005 CLS 55 AMG, the company's latest
hot rod and the flagship of its new CLS-Class sedan line. The CLS 55
will go on sale in January along with the rest of the CLS-Class cars.

While Mercedes officials said in an interview that they do not have an
estimated price for the CLS 55, they did say the CLS-Class' pricing
will fall between that of its top-tier sedans, the E-Class, which will
start at $49,220 for 2005, and the S-Class, whose 2004 model starts at
$74,970. Hot rod AMG variants typically cost about 15 to 20% more than
the mainstream models on which they are based.

Mercedes, which is owned by DaimlerChrysler (nyse: DCX - news - people
), had already said that it wants the CLS-Class to be a sportier sedan
line than the E- and S-Classes, and that the company expects the CLS
will attract more customers who are new to the brand than its other
high-end sedans do. Despite this information--and the benefits of
making the CLS a slightly more aggressive-looking car, with such
styling elements as a belt line that rises as it heads toward the back
of the vehicle--we still don't have a satisfactory answer as to why
Mercedes thinks it needs to add another sedan line (it has three
already) to a cluttered market. Mercedes has too many models that
feature the 5.0-liter V-8 engine which will power the base model, the
CLS 500. That V-8 is getting old and, relative to other luxury brands'
engines, doesn't produce a great deal of horsepower (302) given how
big it is.

We are still excited to drive the CLS 55 AMG, if only because it is
more powerful than the red-hot, 469 hp E55 AMG sedan. Using the
supercharged, 5.5-liter V-8 engine that appears in other Mercedes AMG
cars, the CLS 55 will make 476 hp--more than the E55, less than the
S55. Its 516 pounds-feet of torque matches the figures from the E55
and S55.

The results of this engine tuning are impressive: Mercedes said in a
statement that the CLS 55 will be able to accelerate from 0-62 mph in
4.7 seconds, and that it will have an electronically limited maximum
speed of 155 mph. In addition to the souped-up engine, it will feature
a sports suspension and a high-performance braking system.

In the CLS 55, as with other AMG cars, the engine's power is
transferred to the wheels through a five-speed automatic transmission.
The driver can choose between automatic or manual gear changes, the
latter of which are controlled either through a selector lever or
gearshift buttons on the steering wheel (BMW's hot rod M cars have the
same choice).

Like other AMG and M cars, the CLS 55 AMG will feature subtle styling
differences from its parent model. It has 18-inch light-alloy wheels
with wide tires, large air inlets near round fog lamps and two
chromed, oval exhaust pipes. AMG fans will recognize the badge on the
car that says "V8 Kompressor"--"supercharged V-8" in English. The
interior will feature perforated sports seats and Nappa leather in a
choice of three colors.

Forbes Fact
Mercedes previewed the CLS line at last September's International
Motor Show in Frankfurt with the Vision CLS prototype. The company
unveiled the new, ready-for-production CLS 500 at April's New York
International Auto Show.

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Juergen . - 20 Jul 2004 16:30 GMT
> http://www.forbes.com/lifestyle/2004/07/20/cx_dl_0720vow.html

See also http://www.mbspy.com/cls55amg.htm

Prices here in Germany (Euro, incl. 16 per cent VAT)
are starting at
CLS 350      54.346 (incl. 7-sp auto, radio, air con, 17" alloys)
CLS 500      67.280 (includes air suspension and 18" alloys)
AMG 55 CLS   96.164

The price for the AMG styling package for CLS 350 and 500
is unknown yet.

Juergen
Nevada Jack - 21 Jul 2004 02:13 GMT
Hi Juergen...I saw those prices also but was wondering if the US will get
both the CLS 350 and the CLS 500 about the same timeframe as Europe, ie in
January '05?  I had read somewhere that the US would only get the CLS 500.
I am really growing attached to that car but do not need or want a V8.  My
present '03 E320 is plenty of HP for me and the new 350 being around 272 HP
will more than satisfy my standing start urges.

Hope all is well with you...have not been on this group in quite a while.

Jack

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Juergen . - 21 Jul 2004 11:50 GMT
Hi Jack,

> Hi Juergen...I saw those prices also but was wondering if the US will get
> both the CLS 350 and the CLS 500 about the same timeframe as Europe, ie in
> January '05?  I had read somewhere that the US would only get the CLS 500.

_Beginning of 2005_ is what I know - yes, it leaves
some room for speculation if that will be January
as here in Europe (orders can already be placed here
in Europe).

And I also heard that the CLS 350 will _not_ come
to the US - but please don't nail me on that!

> I am really growing attached to that car but do not need or want a V8.  My
> present '03 E320 is plenty of HP for me and the new 350 being around 272 HP
> will more than satisfy my standing start urges.

Of course noone _needs_ the 302 PS/306 hp the
CLS 500 offers!

But the 272 PS of the CLS 350 is not significantly
less, and it has a max torque of 350 Nm (easy to
remember ;-) ) from 2400 to 5000 rpm whilst the
CLS 500 boatss 460 Nm, but _only_ from 2700 to
4250 rpm.

So marketing left aside it is simply a choice
between a V6 and a V8 engine - and no choice
of power.


> Hope all is well with you...have not been on this group in quite a while.

Yes, thanks - I hope all is well with you, too!

Nice to read you here again!

Juergen from Germany
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Dori A Schmetterling - 20 Jul 2004 18:22 GMT
Yeah, I agree, 302 hp, underpowered.  Might as well walk...

OTOH, I do agree with the question about the purpose of this vehicle, howver
nice it might look.

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Juergen . - 20 Jul 2004 20:36 GMT
> Yeah, I agree, 302 hp, underpowered.  Might as well walk...

Hmmm - just decided NOT to buy an used E420T as my other
town car because with 279 PS it might be a bit overpowered...

...but if 302 hp is underpowered maybe I should re-think
and go for an E55T?

Juergen - 72 PS in his other town car (town car, not Town Car)
jav - 20 Jul 2004 21:33 GMT
> > Yeah, I agree, 302 hp, underpowered.  Might as well walk...

I second that.......my SL500 with 302 HP is a dog. Sometimes
I feel the need to get out and push it...........
Tiger - 20 Jul 2004 21:58 GMT
Have you tried driving it in 4 instead of D?
greek_philosophizer - 21 Jul 2004 01:28 GMT
>>>Yeah, I agree, 302 hp, underpowered.  Might as well walk...
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> I second that.......my SL500 with 302 HP is a dog. Sometimes
> I feel the need to get out and push it...........

If  you are already getting an SL500, it seems logical to pay
a bit more and get the 600 and have some decent power.

The  car I really do not understand is the SL55.  It has significantly
less torque than an SL600 but is only 8,000 US Dollars less.

Now if I can just convince a dealer to let me drive away with one.

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jav - 21 Jul 2004 04:35 GMT
I was being facetious...........probably should have included a    ;)
0-60 MPH in 6.1sec may not be a Ferrari beater, but it's quick
enough to get the groceries.

> >>>Yeah, I agree, 302 hp, underpowered.  Might as well walk...
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Dori A Schmetterling - 21 Jul 2004 10:49 GMT
This NG is dominated by North Americans, Californians even, who look down on
anything below 350 bhp...

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OniIsan - 21 Jul 2004 13:23 GMT
I honestly thought Europeans looked down on anything below 350.... Isn't
that where almost all the "speed" comes from????

> This NG is dominated by North Americans, Californians even, who look down on
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Dori A Schmetterling - 21 Jul 2004 13:34 GMT
You have it the wrong way round.  Most Europeans would get a crick in the
neck trying to look up to ABOVE 150 bhp, the rest above 250...

:-)
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Dori A Schmetterling - 21 Jul 2004 13:49 GMT
PS. .. other than the motor industry execs who are driving the horsepower
race, of course...

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OniIsan - 21 Jul 2004 23:48 GMT
well then... my mistake!

> PS. .. other than the motor industry execs who are driving the horsepower
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greek_philosophizer - 22 Jul 2004 11:46 GMT
> You have it the wrong way round.  Most Europeans would get a crick in the
> neck trying to look up to ABOVE 150 bhp, the rest above 250...

Except that now you can get a nicely tarted up old E class with 340 HP
for 30-40 thousand USA dollars - the Chrysler 300C.  I am assuming
European prices will be the same as American. Hemi is such
a funny word. Say it fast several times.

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Dori A Schmetterling - 24 Jul 2004 00:02 GMT
In general 'US' cars are a lot dearer in Europe than in the USA.

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Juergen . - 24 Jul 2004 00:41 GMT
> In general 'US' cars are a lot dearer in Europe than in the USA.
> DAS

Here in Germany the Chrysler 300C (249 PS) starts at
38.600 Euro, an E320 W211 (224 PS) at 45.066 Euro;
that makes an additional 17 per cent for the MB.
Plus there is some negotioation room with the Chrysler,
(nearly) none with the W211.

In the US the 300C (250 hp) starts at 27.395 (that is
22.625 Euro at today's exchange rate), the E320 at
49.220 (Euro 40.650);
that makes an additional 80 per cent for the MB.

Leaving possible trim differenced between the Chrysler
and the MB and also between European and American models
aside one can see the huge price advantage of the 300C
in the US.

Juergen
Juergen . - 21 Jul 2004 11:21 GMT
> If  you are already getting an SL500, it seems logical to pay
> a bit more and get the 600 and have some decent power.

Not everyone wants an V12.
Plus here in Germany there is a base-price difference
of 32.000 Euro.

> The  car I really do not understand is the SL55.  It has significantly
> less torque than an SL600 but is only 8,000 US Dollars less.

The SL600 is more an extremely powerful cruiser -
or whatever you want to call it, it is a bit like
a Gran Turismo, having enough power under any
circumstances and giving a very relaxed and fast
ride even on long distances whilst the SL 55 (you
know, the slow version of the SL 65 ;-) ) is clearly
more aimed at the sports crowd overall.

What really is shabby is that here in Germany
for an SL 55 AMG you have to pay an extra
250 Euro for Bi-Xenon headlights with washer...
Sometimes I think the MB marketing folk is on
drugs!   ==:-(((

> Now if I can just convince a dealer to let me drive away with one.

That's basically simple:
Give him 200 grand and he'll give you an SL 65  ;-))

Juergen
OniIsan - 21 Jul 2004 13:20 GMT
Good lord that looks horrible. DaimlerChrysler what are you doing.
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L. Cook - 23 Jul 2004 00:27 GMT
FYI--Mercedes has controlling interest in the mercedes/chrysler
relationship.  Not chrysler.
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E 55 AMG - 25 Jul 2004 23:48 GMT
>We are still excited to drive the CLS 55 AMG, if only because it is
>more powerful than the red-hot, 469 hp E55 AMG sedan. Using the
>supercharged, 5.5-liter V-8 engine that appears in other Mercedes AMG
>cars, the CLS 55 will make 476 hp--more than the E55, less than the
>S55.

The above statements in the Forbes article about the power of the CLS 55 AMG
compared to the power of the E 55 AMG are incorrect. The two cars have exactly
the same power. The CLS was unveiled in Europe in its European version, and the
power figure quoted is its European spec in metric horsepower (in German
abreviated as PS). In Europe, the E 55 AMG also has 476 PS. In the English
system of units, a horsepower is a slightly larger unit than a metric
horsepower, so it turns out that 476 PS is exactly the same as 469 hp.

Even if the power of the CLS 55 AMG were really 476 hp (English system hp), or
a 7-hp increase over the E 55 AMG's 469 hp, to say that the only reason to be
excited to drive it is due to this minuscule increase (1.5% increase in power)
is ridiculous. Since this is a new model, it may feel different from the
regular E-Class, and it may be exciting to drive a new model, but an increase
of 7 hp (which turns out to be imagined rather than real) would not be
noticceale.

Best regards,

Danny
Juergen . - 26 Jul 2004 08:54 GMT
(about PS and hp, differences of 7 etc.)

I fully agree.

Juergen
 
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