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Car Forum / Mercedes-Benz Cars / September 2004Anyone test driven a MAYBACH?
Hello all, Last Saturday, I tested the 57 MAYBACH. I thought it was interesting. I was wondering if anyone had the pleasure? I will post a brief on my experience, within week or so. Regards, Jayanthan (Jay) Bala. > Hello all, > > Last Saturday, I tested the 57 MAYBACH. I thought it was interesting. I was > wondering if anyone had the pleasure? > > I will post a brief on my experience, within week or so. Certainly one of the ugliest vehicles I have ever seen... Including the Pacer. Marty I think it looks nice. Big and substantial. Like it is safe to drive around in it. Not sure where the closest dealer is, but I am not going to buy one - they are just too high priced! mcbrue impoverishedly under the bridge in the trailer down by the river 96 S420 If anyone can afford it, it is you McBrue. I know you can certainly afford the repair bills. I agree. One of the ugliest cars ever made. Who in his right mind would buy one of those instead of a Bentley or Rolls? >> Hello all, >> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > >Marty > I agree. One of the ugliest cars ever made. Who in his right mind > would buy one of those instead of a Bentley or Rolls? Simply because it's built in Germany and not England. Ever owned a British-made car? Now we're talking serious wallet fatigue from repairs! > >> Hello all, > >> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > > >Marty What about 'British' cars like Ford, modern Bentley...?... DAS  SignatureFor direct contact replace nospam with schmetterling --- > > I agree. One of the ugliest cars ever made. Who in his right mind > > would buy one of those instead of a Bentley or Rolls? [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > > > > >Marty > "Jim Lyons" <lyons432> wrote in message > > I agree. One of the ugliest cars ever made. Who in his right mind > > would buy one of those instead of a Bentley or Rolls? > Simply because it's built in Germany and not England. Ever owned a > British-made car? Now we're talking serious wallet fatigue from repairs! Ok, we all know the horror stories from the past - but today? Today quality is something which can be produced (or NOT) everywhere so I do not see any reason a British-built car _must_ be inferior to a - say - German built car. Juergen > Today quality is something which can be produced > (or NOT) everywhere so I do not see any reason > a British-built car _must_ be inferior to a - > say - German built car. My 1968 Rover TC2000 was a lovely car that ran like a top, once I swapped out the generator for a GM alternator. Bernard > My 1968 Rover TC2000 was a lovely car that ran like > a top, once I swapped out the generator for a GM alternator. Let me guess, it was a Lucas. Old joke, Why do the British drink warm beer? Lucas refrigerators. Speaking of which, I was looking at a C36 the other day, and what did I see? A Lucas vacuum booster behind the master cylinder! Did AMG actually use a Lucas part? I didn't know that Lucas made any working parts. At least it seemed that way when I would help out friends with their Triumph's years ago. > use a Lucas part? I didn't know that Lucas made any working parts. At > least it seemed that way when I would help out friends with their > Triumph's years ago. That's it _years ago_ - years ago the built quality of Mercedes also was better, so the point is that time ARE changing and what was valid years ago not necessarily is true anymore. A good example in the automotive world is Czech Skoda, an assortment of more-than-lousy cars before Volkswagen bought them - today they have a really good quality standard. Juergen "Ernie Sparks" <earnest37@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message > > I agree. One of the ugliest cars ever made. Who in his right mind > > would buy one of those instead of a Bentley or Rolls? > > Simply because it's built in Germany and not England. Ever owned a > British-made car? Now we're talking serious wallet fatigue from repairs! Don't panic, Rolls and Bentleys are made in Germany these days (as far as I can see they're built up third world style from German CKD kits)... "the guvnor" <pizzalovingcriminal@allstar.pg> haute in die Tasten: > Don't panic, Rolls and Bentleys are made in Germany these days (as far > as I can see they're built up third world style from German CKD > kits)... No. Both are manufactured in the UK. There may be quite a share of parts made in Germany, which are asembled with those cars, i.e. the engine and the gearbox, but in the early days Rolls also got their gearboxes (Borg Warner, GM, maybe ZF) and other components delivered by a 3rd party source. The old Rolls Royce V8 engine was a modified GM design, and the complete sheetmetal work for the bodies was made by another contractor. I assume that the share of aquired parts and contractor work did not increase after VW and BMW bought the companies and the name copyright. However, I assume that most of the r&d work for Rolls and Bentley is done in Munich or Wolfsburg by now. The new Rolls Royce was entirely developed in Munich, you could even see Rolls prototypes running around in the munich city traffic, with Munich licenseplates on them. In order to look, feel and smell british, both companies have their interior and exterior design department in the UK. Frank Signatureplease replace spam-muelleimer with fk-newsgroups for e-mail contact Citro?n Xantia - Made in Trance "Frank Kemper" <spam-muelleimer@gmx.de> wrote in message > > Don't panic, Rolls and Bentleys are made in Germany these days (as far > > as I can see they're built up third world style from German CKD > > kits)... > > No. Both are manufactured in the UK. Both the Rolls and the Bentley have bodyshells manufactured and assembled (and in the case of the Bentley painted) in Germany, and both use German made running gear, so other that the fact they are bolted together in England fron kits of imported parts, what makes them British?? > There may be quite a share of parts made in Germany, which are asembled with those cars, i.e. the engine and > the gearbox, but in the early days Rolls also got their gearboxes (Borg > Warner, GM, maybe ZF) and other components delivered by a 3rd party [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > feel and smell british, both companies have their interior and exterior > design department in the UK. Exactly, designed, developed and tested in Germany, and built from kits of German made parts (like Ikea furniture) What's English about them other than the former owners of the respective brands? "the guvnor" <pizzalovingcriminal@allstar.pg> haute in die Tasten: > What's English about them other than the former owners of the respective > brands? The snail mail adresses of the manufacturers. The looks. The marketing. If this is not enough for you, go buy a Morgan - and ignore the fact that it has got a BMW engine;-) BTW: What's Maybach about the new Maybach? If you want to see a real Maybach, visit the extraordinary Zeppelin museum in Friedrichshafen at the lake Bodensee. Okay, the Maybach Zeppelin - which they have on display there - and the current Maybach 62 share one thing. They are both quite big and butt ugly. Frank Signatureplease replace spam-muelleimer with fk-newsgroups for e-mail contact Citro?n Xantia - Made in Trance BTW, Bodensee = Lake Constance... Frank, I can see the insidious influence this newsgroup has on your English...full of Americanism...tut tut... :-) ("Butt ugly" is but one example, but don't worry, we in Britain do understand them...and you...) Dori SignatureFor direct contact replace nospam with schmetterling --- > "the guvnor" <pizzalovingcriminal@allstar.pg> haute in die Tasten: > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Frank "Frank Kemper" <spam-muelleimer@gmx.de> wrote in message > > What's English about them other than the former owners of the respective > > brands? > > The snail mail adresses of the manufacturers. The looks. The marketing. If > this is not enough for you, go buy a Morgan - and ignore the fact that it > has got a BMW engine;-) The Aero 8 thing is as ugly as the Maybach. At least TVRs have a British engine, (even if they are owned by a Russian now)... > BTW: What's Maybach about the new Maybach? The badge? At least it's built in Germany though. > If you want to see a real Maybach, visit the extraordinary Zeppelin museum in Friedrichshafen at the > lake Bodensee. Okay, the Maybach Zeppelin - which they have on display > there - and the current Maybach 62 share one thing. They are both quite big > and butt ugly. The new one has lots of things to play with... > "the guvnor" <pizzalovingcriminal@allstar.pg> haute in die Tasten: > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Frank Who cares about ugly? I'll take that comfort and let the peasants burn with envy. "The earnest one" <earnest37@sbcglobal.net> haute in die Tasten: > Who cares about ugly? I'll take that comfort and let the peasants burn > with envy. We've had this topic here several times, and I am not one of those who are envious about people who can buy themselves a Maybach. But IMHO one could have put the technology and the luxury in a stretched S-class instead of this bulky car. I had the opportunity to have a sit in a Maybach 62, and I was not amazed. If I would need a big limo (and money is not an issue), I definitely would buy something different. Frank Signatureplease replace spam-muelleimer with fk-newsgroups for e-mail contact Citro?n Xantia - Made in Trance I think I would prefer to buy a top long-wheelbase S and the top SL and put a sticker on the back of the S "My other car is an SL 500 and still got change out of the Maybach price"... Similar sticker for back of S-Class :-) DAS SignatureFor direct contact replace nospam with schmetterling --- > "The earnest one" <earnest37@sbcglobal.net> haute in die Tasten: > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Frank "Dori A Schmetterling" <ng@nospam.co.uk> haute in die Tasten: > Similar sticker for back of S-Class :-) Nice Idea, but my other car would probably be a Mercedes W111 280 SE 3.5 convertible, rebuilt and fitted with a 560 SEC powertrain by Autoschmiede (www.autoschmiede.com). And the only sticker on it would be the TUEV approval stamp on the license plate;-) Frank Signatureplease replace spam-muelleimer with fk-newsgroups for e-mail contact Citroen - Made in Trance > Nice Idea, but my other car would probably be a Mercedes W111 280 SE 3.5 > convertible, rebuilt and fitted with a 560 SEC powertrain by Autoschmiede > (www.autoschmiede.com). And the only sticker on it would be the TUEV > approval stamp on the license plate;-) One can see from 100.000 miles apart the wrong track etc. of these Autoschmiede things... ===:-(((((( Juergen - nothing beats the original here "Juergen ." <jaguare@bigfoot.com> haute in die Tasten: > One can see from 100.000 miles apart the wrong > track etc. of these Autoschmiede things... ===:-(((((( Okay with the wrong track, but what else is obvious? Besides this: It is a matter of fact that I like the design of the old 280SE far more than everything which has left Mercedes assembly lines in the last 20 years. Frank Signatureplease replace spam-muelleimer with fk-newsgroups for e-mail contact Citroen - Made in Trance > "Juergen ." <jaguare@bigfoot.com> haute in die Tasten: > > One can see from 100.000 miles apart the wrong > > track etc. of these Autoschmiede things... ===:-(((((( > Okay with the wrong track, but what else is obvious? Besides this: It is a 15 inch rims instead of original 14 inch, body sitting a bit too high, original cars only had clear or green tinted windows, not blueish ones, top round-headlamps H7 or sth. like that, but not original style... But ok, I admit I am one of those freaks who also complains about a 1968 /8 with integrated Halogen-headlights as non-original... > matter of fact that I like the design of the old 280SE far more than > everything which has left Mercedes assembly lines in the last 20 years. No doubt these cars were some very clean and at the same time very impressive designs. Juergen - admittedly a die-hard originality-freak "Juergen ." <jaguare@bigfoot.com> haute in die Tasten: > 15 inch rims instead of original 14 inch, > body sitting a bit too high, original cars > only had clear or green tinted windows, not > blueish ones, top round-headlamps H7 or > sth. like that, but not original style... AFAIK these cars are hand made, so it is up to you wether you want as much historical accuracy as possible or a more contemporary layout. Ok, you are even free to take some 100.000 dollars and buy one original car in mint condition. I'd seriously prefer the best of both worlds. Frank Signatureplease replace spam-muelleimer with fk-newsgroups for e-mail contact Citro?n Xantia - Made in Trance > They are both quite big > and butt ugly. > > Frank Some butts are not ugly. That phrase always seems too sweeping. . Frank Kemper <spam-muelleimer@gmx.de> wrote in message > In order to look, > feel and smell british, There is a British look feel and SMELL???? Could you elaborate on this? I am visting London in three weeks and I need to be prepared. ( Hopefully this look, feel and smell is like Elizabeth Hurley ). . >>There is a British look feel and SMELL???? Could you elaborate on this? I am visting London in three weeks and I need to be prepared. << The smells I remember from my Jaguar are leaking brake fluid, burning oil, seeping antifreeze, and the Diesel exhaust smell of tow trucks. Bill Ditmire Ditmire Motorworks,Inc. 425 White Horse Pike Absecon,NJ 08201 http://www.ditmire.com 609-641-3392 greek_philosophizer@hotmail.com (greek_philosophizer) haute in die Tasten: > Could you elaborate on this? I am visting London > in three weeks and I need to be prepared. This is a simple one. If you take a big box of car components, ship them to the deepest british countryside, shoot some british cattle and peel off their skin to make conolly leather out of them, take your swedish husquarna chainsaw and cut down some british trees to get the wood for the dashboard from, take some british sheep and shave them for the wool for the carpets. Then take a bunch of british workers, supply them with only two working overalls (in order to prevent too many clothes swaps), put them into the british factory site in the british countryside and have them assemble a car from all the parts mentioned above - the result will without a doubt smell british... There is a rumour that UK citizens in general do not focus their intrest too much upon their own cleanliness. As a rule of thumb I cannot entirely confirm this rumour from the few dozens Britains I have met closely in my life. <eg> Frank Signatureplease replace spam-muelleimer with fk-newsgroups for e-mail contact Citroen - Made in Trance It's ENGLISH, not British... The only thing that's British around here is citizenship and the government. Everything else is English, Scottish, Welsh or Irish... DAS SignatureFor direct contact replace nospam with schmetterling --- > greek_philosophizer@hotmail.com (greek_philosophizer) haute in die > Tasten: [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > Frank hahahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahahahahahaha THUNK hahahahaha roflol Thets a gud un, Bill! mcbrue laughingly under the bridge in the trailer down by the river 96 S420 > to the deepest british countryside, shoot some british cattle and peel > off their skin to make conolly leather out of them, take your swedish I really, really, really hate to nutpick again, but Connolly ended production in June 2002. It is always the same story: 1st generation founds a solid company 2nd generation keeps it 3rd generation ruins it GERMAN language article at http://www.autobild.de/artikel.php?artikel_id=2832 Juergen "Juergen ." <jaguare@bigfoot.com> haute in die Tasten: > I really, really, really hate to nutpick again, Oh come on, you're loving it, don't you? Frank Signatureplease replace spam-muelleimer with fk-newsgroups for e-mail contact Citro?n Xantia - Made in Trance > "Juergen ." <jaguare@bigfoot.com> haute in die Tasten: > > I really, really, really hate to nutpick again, > Oh come on, you're loving it, don't you? :-)) Juergen In which area are you going to stay? Just curious. DAS SignatureFor direct contact replace nospam with schmetterling --- [........]> > Could you elaborate on this? I am visting London > in three weeks and I need to be prepared. ............... > In which area are you going to stay? Just curious. > > DAS That is the part that I have been unable to decide upon. I have never been to England and so I am allocating a weekend to correct that situation. I am flying in on a Friday and flying out the next Monday. I have not been able to choose between getting a car and being extremely mobile or just getting a hotel in some part of London or some other city and just meandering about. Any suggestions would be most appreciated! . Signature1 HP = 745.69987158227022 Watts 1 PS = 735.49875 Watts . http://www.cannabisnews.com/ - stay abreast www.norml.com - support www.mpp.org - support http://www.ips-dc.org/ - support http://narconews.com/ - learn . . . . . . . . . "greek_philosophizer" <greek_philosophizer@hotmail.com> wrote in message > I have never been to England and so I am allocating > a weekend to correct that situation. You might need a bit more than a weekend... Nah. England is a bit of land on a little island off the coast of Europe. Arrive Fri/Sat, bleary-eyed. Straight off the plane into a London city bus tour (snooze at the stops), in the afternoon stop at the Tower of London and Houses of Parliament. Evening meal in typical (means 'any') pub. Next morning take taxi tour of Cambridge, Oxford, Bath (and nearby Bristol with Clifton Suspension Bridge). Late afternoon whizz round Stratford-on-Avon and Warwick (pronounced 'worrick' and not 'wor-wick') Castle) and back onto plane. Take one-week holiday in the depths of the Adirondaks to recover... Blimey, I feel knackered just reading that.... DAS SignatureFor direct contact replace nospam with schmetterling --- > "greek_philosophizer" <greek_philosophizer@hotmail.com> wrote in message > >> I have never been to England and so I am allocating >> a weekend to correct that situation. > > You might need a bit more than a weekend... Hi Dori, Thank you for the suggestions. I will have 3+ days ( Friday Morning to Monday Afternoon ) so I think I can fit all that in. Do you have any insider information on good places or areas to stay? I will attempt to make some sort of mercedes observation so that I can plausibly claim this is somehow on topic. > Nah. England is a bit of land on a little island off the coast of Europe. > Arrive Fri/Sat, bleary-eyed. Straight off the plane into a London city bus [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > > > You might need a bit more than a weekend... How long is a piece of string?.... Budget? Try looking for Maybachs... But not too much as you won't see much, neither Maybachs nor the sights... DAS SignatureFor direct contact replace nospam with schmetterling --- > Hi Dori, > [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] >> > >> > You might need a bit more than a weekend... > I agree. One of the ugliest cars ever made. Who in his right mind > would buy one of those instead of a Bentley or Rolls? Speaking of Rolls, a few evenings ago, I saw a brand-new black Phantom driving quite aggressively down a major thoroughfare in my city. At a stoplight, I got close enough to get a better look. That car is HUGE. In pictures, it appears not to be outsized, but that's because it's bigger than a normal luxury car in *every* dimension. The beltline of the doors was nearly to the roofline of most other cars on the road. From the back, it looked quite sporty, but from the front, it looked like a stodgy old Rolls. Personally, no matter how powerful the engine, I don't think I'd be throwing around a brand new $350,000 car quite as aggressively as the driver of this particular Rolls was doing that evening--at least not on a crowded city street during the evening commute. --Paul ** Note "removemunged" in email address and remove to reply. ** Having crossed the bridge and gotten over to the other side in Merry Olde Englande, I might suggest that a weekend could be spent just in London. And then maybe a few more days in London also. And then maybe a week or so in London. and then you could go upcountry a ways. Stoke on Trent area has some nice dishes for sale as I remember. And of course there are the other places in England where there is some history - like every 10 feet or so! Of course you have to realize that one reason it takes so long in London is that they name each street with several names, each lasting about one block. It might take you several days just to find Fleet Street, for example! And you have to be very carefull when asking directions of the natives - they tend to enjoy talking to Amerikans and it can take a while. Anyway, enjoy! mcbrue amerikanly under the bridge in the trailer down by the river 96 S420 |
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