127.0.0.1 <jd@cs.com> haute in die Tasten:
> For the most part people in the US are quite ignorant when it comes
> to greatness of the new diesels.
When I visited the USA first in 1994, I remember a fuel price of about
one dollar per gallon, which back then was roughly one quarter of german
price. If my memory serves me right, fuel prices in the US have doubled
over the past few years. For somebody like me, who is used to expensive
fuel, US fuel still looks incredibly cheap, while someboody who lives in
the US today has to spend far more of his salary at the petrol station.
25 years ago there was a slight diesel boom, Even 20 years ago I saw lots
of W123 diesel cars in Florida. Mercedes even produced Diesel cars for
the US which were not officially available on the german market, the W123
300D coup? and the W126 300 SDL. These cars offered low fuel consumption
for the price of poor power output and a noisy and rattling engine (Had a
W123 240D automatic on my own, so I know how 72 HP feel in a 1,7 ton
car). In Germany these cars were only popular because Diesel fuel is
substantially cheaper, so taxicab drivers loved them.
Today's diesels are different. They offer the same power and usually far
more torque than gas engines of the same displacement. Smoothness and
sound level have by far improved. In Germany often it is a matter of
calculation, wether you buy a Diesel or not: Fuel is cheaper (roughly
20%), tax and insurance are higher, maintenance schedules are shorter,
resale value is higher. If you look for your money, it is hard to lose
with a Diesel Mercedes. Besides that today many people buy a Diesel for
sheer fun, because they love to have twice the torque of a gas engine, at
30% less fuel consumption. They love the long range (VW currently does TV
advertising on that topic) and they enjoy the feeling of saving money at
every tank stop, (while tax and insurance are withdrawn from your bank
account only once a year). My Citroen with 2.0-Litre gas engine needs a
new fill of 95 or 98 octane gas every 500 kilometres, which usually cost
me some 85 dollars - can you imagine how interestig I found my test ride
on a Toyota Prius, which simply cuts fuel cost by 50%?
For me it is obvious that the big diesel engines in the E- and S-clas are
very desireable for everyone who has to pay for his fuel himself. Just
imagine an S-class with a highway mileage of a Toyota Corolla! I think
that Mercedes is a little bit afraid of low quality diesel fuel and
untrained mechanics, whho could spoil the reputation of their current
diesel engines. But once these issues are solved, I do not see any reason
not to sell these cars successfully everywhere in the world.
Frank

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Dori A Schmetterling - 20 Sep 2004 12:29 GMT
In all the time I can remember -- that's 30 years plus -- the price of fuel
in the US has never been more than half of western European levels (bearing
mind that these used to vary more across the region than they do now), often
much less.
From what I picked up in newsgroups is that GM sold some really awful diesel
cars in the US many years ago, which spoiled the market.
As regards diesels in Germany and other countries where the diesel price was
lower than the petrol price (not the UK!) (often counterbalanced by higher
car taxation), I think their relative popularity was also helped by the much
greater longevity and reliability of the engines, as well as fuel economy.
Then, as now, they held their value better. When working in Germany 1980 -
2 I had a company W123 200D (only 60 PS) and it weighed 1.4 t IIRC.
With the increasing complexity of diesel engines and development on the
petrol side I am not sure that diesel motors are still longer-lasting in
general, but all the other factors still apply (except price advantage in
the UK). Otherwise diesels wouldn't be enjoying such phenominal growth in
the UK. As I probably said before, the S-Class 320 D is the top-selling
'exec' car in the UK.
DAS

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> Frank
Juergen . - 26 Sep 2004 00:50 GMT
> of W123 diesel cars in Florida. Mercedes even produced
> Diesel cars for the US which were not officially
> available on the german market, the W123 300D coupé
> and the W126 300 SDL.
As we are in a Mercedes car group I feel free to nutpick,
excluxively built for North America were also:
W123 300D TURBODIESEL
(sedan) 89 kw/121 PS, later 92 kw/125 PS
W116 300SD
82 kw/111 PS, later 89 kw/121 PS built 05/78-09/80
W126 300SD TURBODIESEL
89 kw/121 PS, later 92 kw/125 PS built 10/80-08/85
(The above mentioned
W126 300 SDL TURBODIESEL had
110 kw/150 PS and was built 02/85-09/87)
W126 350SD TURBODIESEL
100 kw/136 PS built 06/90-08/91
W126 350SDL TURBODIESEL
100 kw/136 PS built 06/90-08/91
W201 190D 2.2
54 kw/73 PS built 11/83-08/85
W130 300SD from 10/1991-10/1992 exclusively for the
NA market, later also for other markets
Juergen
Juergen . - 26 Sep 2004 00:54 GMT
> W123 240D automatic on my own, so I know how 72 HP feel in a 1,7 ton
> car). In Germany these cars were only popular because Diesel fuel is
> substantially cheaper, so taxicab drivers loved them.
Sorry to nutpick again, but W123 240D w/auto trans
is 1435 kg.
> substantially cheaper, so taxicab drivers loved them.
Plus they are lacking a ignition system which made
them more trouble-free than gasoline cars, not to
speak of gasoline cars with carburettors.
Ok, ok, I keep my mouth shut now!
Juergen