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Car Forum / Mercedes-Benz Cars / September 2004

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300D 124 Body paint tips

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Dan - 17 Sep 2004 17:09 GMT
Again: Want to paint the car but don't know whether or not to take moldings
off or mask them.    The roof rails? Do they just pop off clips? and they
appear to be made of metal and go down each side of the windshield.  Should
I leave them alone?  I ordinarily like to remove as much trim as I can but I
won't if it's too much trouble or expense.  Any tips?  What I should have
mentioned in the earlier post was that I'm attempting to do the work myself
and this car has already had at least one overall repaint years ago and is
looking pretty sad.  I would like to sand it all down and attempt to spruce
it up a bit with a nice overall paint job.  Make it gloss black instead of
Manilla Beige.  and what in the world do I do with the sun roof?  Mask it
with 1/8" Masking tape? or use Vaseline on the gasket?
Josh - 18 Sep 2004 16:46 GMT
Years ago I was told that the best way is to remove all the trim and rubber
gaskets (doors, sunroof, etc.).  This allows you to avoid any type of paint
line that would be caused by tape as well as avoid damage to them caused by
sanding or possible leakage during painting.  This is going to be more
important given that you are going to change the color from beige to black.

> Again: Want to paint the car but don't know whether or not to take
> moldings
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> Manilla Beige.  and what in the world do I do with the sun roof?  Mask it
> with 1/8" Masking tape? or use Vaseline on the gasket?
The earnest one - 19 Sep 2004 05:49 GMT
If you intend to paint your car gloss black prepare yourself for a great
disappointment unless you are a very experienced body man. Black is
virtually the worst color to paint a vehicle unless the prep work is nothing
short of perfection. Every small blemish is magnified. The easiest color to
prep for? White! If you still wish to make it black take a paint stir stick,
wrap it with 220 grit paper and begin working every square inch of the
surface. Once you have what you think is a perfect prep job hit the car with
a "guide" coat. This is usually a very, very dusty coat of black lacquer
over grey primer. As you begin your process once again using the paint stick
you will notice high and low spots. Work these down until you're convinced
it's perfect. Then hit it again with another guide coat. Continue this
process for a few weeks until the surface is perfectly flat. Finish it off
with 600 wet, then 1000 wet, and then 1600 wet and, if your arms are still
attached, 2000 wet.
Now you're ready to put on the first coat of paint. If you're using 2-stage
paint and intend to finish with a hand-rubbed clear coat you don't have to
worry too much about the finish of the color as long as you intend to put on
several coats of the 2-stage clear.
Let it all dry thoroughly and gear up for the rubout. This will only take a
day or two with a power buffer and some progressively finer rubbing
compound. Once you feel you have it pretty nice take some corn starch, whip
it into a paste with water, grab a new buffing pad for your buffer and give
it a final polish. Once this is done you're ready for wax but be sure to
wait at least a week or two before putting on that final wax. Sounds like a
lot of fun...at least it did when I was younger and went through the process
a time or two. Now I'll just take it to someone with more muscle and fewer
brains than I have. Good luck!

> Years ago I was told that the best way is to remove all the trim and rubber
> gaskets (doors, sunroof, etc.).  This allows you to avoid any type of paint
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> > Manilla Beige.  and what in the world do I do with the sun roof?  Mask it
> > with 1/8" Masking tape? or use Vaseline on the gasket?
Dan - 19 Sep 2004 13:32 GMT
Great post!  I was going to use Acrylic enamel with a hardener (only because
I have it laying around and don't want to spend more money)    My biggest
concern is the roof rails; how to take them off and firmly reattach them
without: a) ruining them, and b) breaking the bank on molding clips.  As
long as I can get the paint to shine, the surface prep is not that great a
concern.  My problem has always been a dry spray and as a result low to no
gloss.  I guess spraying is a technique that needs mastered and I haven't.
Thanks for the response.
> If you intend to paint your car gloss black prepare yourself for a great
> disappointment unless you are a very experienced body man. Black is
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> it
> > > with 1/8" Masking tape? or use Vaseline on the gasket?
Tiger - 19 Sep 2004 21:11 GMT
Spraying is only one part of the job... unlike house paint when you paint,
it shines immediately... On car, it is not so... unless you apply clearcoat.
If the paint is not designed for clearcoat, then there is two more steps to
the process... wetsanding 400 to smooth out the paint... 1000 grits to get
it near perfection.... claybat to do the final polishing and wax.
The earnest one - 19 Sep 2004 23:05 GMT
> Spraying is only one part of the job... unlike house paint when you paint,
> it shines immediately... On car, it is not so... unless you apply clearcoat.
> If the paint is not designed for clearcoat, then there is two more steps to
> the process... wetsanding 400 to smooth out the paint... 1000 grits to get
> it near perfection.... claybat to do the final polishing and wax.

Absolutely, and not a bad way to go. I remember the great lacquer paint jobs
that used to come out of the back alleys in Tijuana. They didn't care how
much dust hit the wet paint or how quickly it dried. They simply put elbow
grease, high-grit paper (with water) and polishing compound to the task.
Good luck!
 
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