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Car Forum / Mercedes-Benz Cars / November 2004

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Randy S - 29 Nov 2004 23:18 GMT
    Ok, my family has always owned all American cars, as far back as I can
remember, and we tend to keep cars for about 10 years.   After having a
re-occurring timing-belt issue on a particular Chevrolet, in 1999 we happened
upon a used 1997 E420.  Bought it, our first "foreign" car, and still have it
to this day.  We keep our cars maintained very well, always hand-washing once a
week, doing all oil changes (Mobil 1 synthetic) and things on time and at the
MB dealer.  However, in 2002, when the car was just five years young, the
front-right shock tower rusted completely through and had to be re-welded and
repaired for a cost of over $3000.   Mercedes blamed it on the fact that
Chicago uses salt on the roads in the winter!?!   I couldn't believe it, as
none of our previous cars ever had ANY rust problems.   Anyway, after a battle
with the dealer, they agreed to pay half of the repairs, although we were still
unhappy.   Just had the car in again last week for new tires, and when I get
the car back, the driver's-side mirror glass is hanging from mirror housing.  I
notice this as soon as the porter pulled the car around.  I get the service
manager, and he says that I have no way of proving that it wasn't broken
*before* I brought it in for the tires.  They want me to pay over $500 for a
new mirror, which *they* broke!  After an hour of arguements, we settled on me
paying half of the mirror cost, which was just under $200.   So, I have to
bring the car back in because they had to order the parts.   So, come back in,
they fix the mirror, and the porter pulls the car around for me.  Normally,
they come in and give me the keys.  This time, he pulled it outside and left it
running!   So, I leave, and as soon as I take the key out of the ignition, it
falls apart!   The button and the spring that pop the key out of the remote
were missing!   So, AGAIN, I go back to have them fix it, and they claim that
it wasn't broken when they had it!   Seems funny that the porter wouldn't bring
me the keys (first time that's EVER happened), and since no parts fell out of
the key onto the floormats, it's obvious someone knew it was broken before they
started my car and drove it around for me.   After another hour of arguing,
they agreed to buy me a new key.  
    Back in 1999, my father was so impressed with my E-class, that he ordered
a brand-new, 2000 E430 4matic.   The car is now four years old, and has barely
20,000 miles.  This car is driven 2-3 times a week, for about 15-20 miles each
trip.  So, low mileage, but the trips are long enough to heat up the
engine/oil.   Because of Mercedes "Flexible Service Program", they wouldn't
service the car when we wanted to change the oil, not even after 5000 miles.  
Now, the car is our of warranty, so we took it in the day after Thanksgiving
for an oil change (brought our own Mobil 1 as usual).  After dropping it off,
we get a call saying that we need a fuel filter, spark plugs, and a new "hub"
for the 4matic system.  Total cost?  Over $1500!!!  For a car that only has
20,000 miles on it???    According to the Mercedes tech, "they've been having
some problems with the 4matic systems."   If Mercedes is having the problems,
then why are the customers forced to pay for it?
    My father is so furious about this, he is going to trade the car and buy a
new Lexus LS430.  He had planned on driving the E430 for 200,000 miles or more,
but not with costs like this at just 20,000 miles.  In 2001, we bought a Toyota
Sequoia to replace an aging 1992 Suburban, and my sister just bought a Honda
Pilot.  True, these aren't exciting cars, but the Sequoia hasn't had a single
problem and it has 80,000 miles on it already.
    I know Mercedes are more complex than most American cars, and most
Japanese cars.  I know that German cars in general possess an unexplainable
soul when you drive them, compared to most cars.   Has anyone else made the
switch to a Lexus or Infiniti or Acura?    Are you happy, or do you miss the
driving pleasure of a MB/BMW/Audi/Porsche?   Mercedes slogan of "Like No Other"
seems easy to make fun of with our recent experiences with their service
department.   No wonder they are doing away in 2005 with their "free
maintenance" program - it's costing them too much money.
    Finally, does anyone know who we should contact at Mercedes?  It seems
like SOMEONE in the company would want to know how their service departments
are costing them customers.

Randy
Chicago, IL
Huw - 29 Nov 2004 23:39 GMT
"Randy S" <mikado95@aol.com> wrote
 Has anyone else made the
> switch to a Lexus or Infiniti or Acura?    Are you happy, or do you miss
> the
> driving pleasure of a MB/BMW/Audi/Porsche?

I have owned a whole variety of US, Japanese and European cars. All things
mechanical are money pits to a greater or lesser extent. The more complex
and expensive they are the more likely to be expensive to run. Japanese cars
are more reliable in my experience but not perfect and if chosen unwisely
their depreciation can dwarf other costs.

Toyota/lexus have been very lucky for me but I can say that I have not been
dissatisfied by any modern European car. The last truly unreliable car I
owned was an MG Montego new in '84 but the least satisfying was an Audi90
Quattro.
The BMW X5 was nothing like as reliable as the ML but nothing serious failed
on either and the X5 was better built.
My Jaguar Xk8 was faultless and lovely but I am most satisfied of all with
my big Land Cruiser and so far with the Range Rover.
Driving pleasure is a very personal thing.

Huw
Per L?wdin - 30 Nov 2004 09:12 GMT
> The BMW X5 was nothing like as reliable as the ML but nothing serious
> failed
> on either and the X5 was better built.

Both are built in the US, not in Europe, and I believe the ML has been a
problem child for Mercedes, along with the A-class that failed the Swedish
moose test and had to be recalled at a cost of billions.

Per
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Huw - 30 Nov 2004 09:41 GMT
>> The BMW X5 was nothing like as reliable as the ML but nothing serious
>> failed
>> on either and the X5 was better built.
>
> Both are built in the US, not in Europe, and I believe the ML has been a
> problem child for Mercedes,

Which is why I mentioned them. Actually my ML was built in Austria but was
to the same standard as US ones which means basically solid engineering but
cheap plastic trim.
Both of mine were post 2000 built, in fact the BMW was 03 build so there
were no big problems.

along with the A-class that failed the Swedish
> moose test and had to be recalled at a cost of billions.

Yes but they were sorted and the car is an innovative design and very space
efficient, even roomy. Again cheap plastic trim let it down somewhat. I
would happily own and run one. I have driven one for a while and was
reasonably impressed with it compared with other cars in its class.

Huw
Peter W Peternouschek - 30 Nov 2004 05:04 GMT
Unfortunately all dealers also suffer from poor service oriented management,
people problems and greedy comission oriented service writers. Some dealers
are of course better than others when it comes to doing service work. I
would never go to a dealer for service other than warranty work or any work
that required exotic diagnostic equipment. I always try to do my own
maintenance and repairs whenever possible. At least this way the results
will be up to be expectations without any surprises. Also it is worthwhile
to check around for local shops that have experience with MB. I currently
own drive two MB's a 1992 190e 2.6 and a 1995 SL320. I am extremely pleased
with both cars. Other than normal maintence issues I have not had any real
problems( except for an A.C.  Evaporator problem that I repaired with
sealer). Parts are not too expensive if you shop around. A lot of good
sources on the Internet. I use Mr. Autoparts quite often. This source was
mentioned by "Tiger" a few posts back and has great prices.
I have friends that pledge allegiance to Lexus and BMW and Accura brands.
Granted they are all nice cars, but I also notice that they have been
brainwashed by the dealers to overmaintain their cars. They are all bringing
their checkbooks when they get their cars out hock from the "Routine
Maintenance" drill.
The ripoff is not limited to the Luxury cars. I recently paid $325 to
replace an 02 sensor on my 4WD Nissan Pathfinder. It was supposed to be
under warranty, but guess what, not after 36000 miles. Of course they only
told me that when I came to get the car. We also have a new 2004 Hyundai
Santa Fe. Absolutely nothing is wrong with this car.
Everything works, no dealer or repair issues whatever, even the headlights
are aligned correctly, 28,000 miles running great and good economy. Go
figure.......maybe the Koreans have it figured. If only they could make it
quieter I would be a convert.

My two cents...excuse me " meine zwei pfennig" ( after all this is a MB
group}

Pete

>      Ok, my family has always owned all American cars, as far back as I can
> remember, and we tend to keep cars for about 10 years.   After having a
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> Randy
> Chicago, IL
Thomas J. Paladino Jr. - 30 Nov 2004 14:12 GMT
Yikes!

I have a few MB's, and it has been an overall good experience. If I ever
have any mojor problems with my dealer/service center, I contact the
district manager. Call 1-800-FOR-MERC and ask to be put in touch with your
district manager. They are usually very helpful and eager to satisfy.

>     Ok, my family has always owned all American cars, as far back as I can
> remember, and we tend to keep cars for about 10 years.   After having a
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> Randy
> Chicago, IL
Martin Joseph - 30 Nov 2004 17:12 GMT
Toyota/Lexus bullds the highest quality cars in the world.  If you can
deal with the complete lack of personality on the road,  and you don't
want to have to futz with your car,  toyota is the way to go IMO.

On the other hand,  Mercedes cars have historically had a unique
feeling on the road that makes them attractive to some of us.  
Generally European cars have had a better road feel then any others in
my experience.

Unfortunately as the the world of car manufacturers collapse, it seems
they might all become sterile homogenous examples.  I drove a friends
new Saab recently, and didn't have the heart to tell him he might has
well have bought an oldsmobile on clearance.

Marty

PS The "we will pay half" thing is the oldest car dealer trick in the
book.  You are paying for the Whole repair believe me.
 
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