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Car Forum / Mercedes-Benz Cars / December 2004

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Memphis10c - 02 Dec 2004 23:58 GMT
Patience pays. I have been looking for about 3 years for 126 SD to replace
my 350k + miles '83 SD. I just bought a one owner 1982 300SD with 70,00
miles and in great condition. Everything works, all service records--even
has a Mercedes battery. The spare rim has never been rotated to the car and
thus, in showroom condition. The medical packet has never been opened. And
she runs like  a sewing machine.

All for $6500.

I'm in love again.

So if you're looking, keep the faith.

(The same week I found a '84 300SD in Oregon with 32,000 miles and in mint
condition...for $12,000! It was so nice I would be afraid to drive it. So I
went with the '82)
Tiger - 03 Dec 2004 14:29 GMT
Congrats... wow... such a premium.
Tiger - 03 Dec 2004 14:30 GMT
I heard MB would take our cars back to Germany... strip it down and rebuild
the whole car for $15,000... all done by MB themself.
Just Mike - 03 Dec 2004 15:10 GMT
>I heard MB would take our cars back to Germany... strip it down and rebuild
>the whole car for $15,000... all done by MB themself.

I'm not sure I would trust M-B to re-build my cars these days Tiger!
Mike
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marlinspike - 03 Dec 2004 16:56 GMT
Are you sure about that price and that location? I thought the restoration
shop in Germany was for pre-WWII cars, and the on in California (which I
think they have finished building) is for post-WWII cars. Either way, I'd
think it'd be a lot more than 15 grand, probably more like 60 grand.
Richard
> I heard MB would take our cars back to Germany... strip it down and rebuild
> the whole car for $15,000... all done by MB themself.
Frank Kemper - 03 Dec 2004 19:30 GMT
"marlinspike" <rishayegan@davidson.edu> haute in die Tasten:

> Are you sure about that price and that location? I thought the
> restoration shop in Germany was for pre-WWII cars, and the on in
> California (which I think they have finished building) is for
> post-WWII cars. Either way, I'd think it'd be a lot more than 15
> grand, probably more like 60 grand. Richard

Mercedes runs a big classic car center in Stuttgart, where they gather
spare parts for old cars. AFAIK they also do every sort of restoration you
can afford. Besides that they buy cars which are regarded as the classics
of the future and restore them. The last car I have heard of was the
Mercedes R107 roadster. As a rule of thumb Mercedes regards their cars
"classic" three decades after their introduction. Actually I do not know if
they also will care for the W123 (introduced in 1976)

Frank

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marlinspike - 11 Dec 2004 00:26 GMT
Frank, do you know anything about the California restoration shop? I read
about it in Road & Track maybe 2 years ago (or 3) and it was in the
finishing stages of being built at the time, and apparently Cali was going
to be for newer classics and Stuttgart for older classics.
Richard

> "marlinspike" <rishayegan@davidson.edu> haute in die Tasten:
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> Frank
Frank Kemper - 11 Dec 2004 19:53 GMT
"marlinspike" <rishayegan@davidson.edu> haute in die Tasten:

> Frank, do you know anything about the California restoration shop?

No. Never heard about it. It is not common for german car enthusiasts to
have their car restored in the US and bring it to germany afterwards. Just
the opposite: US restoration jobs have an extremely bad reputation over
here. We think most of them are just quick showroom-restorations with a
shiny surface over a crappy job. Classic cars from the US usually
are worse than they look. Besides this MB Stuttgart boasts to take care for
all cars ever sold. In general many people over here think about having
their car restored in countries of the former soviet block, which are now
EU members. First of all, people over there are capable to do fantastic
craftmanship (If you cannot buy a part new, you learn how to repair it),
and second the hourly rates for mechanics are much lower than in Germany.
So a sheetmetal job, which includes a lot of trimming, welding and
smoothing, may be profitable if done in Czech republic, poland or hungary.

Frank

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Memphis10c - 03 Dec 2004 18:38 GMT
I hope someone who is in a position to know would verify if this is correct.
Getting a rebuilt SD (including paint and interior?) for 15 grand would be a
steal. I'd go out and start buying all the $2000 SD I could find, ship them
off and sell them as new when returned.
> I heard MB would take our cars back to Germany... strip it down and rebuild
> the whole car for $15,000... all done by MB themself.
Tiger - 03 Dec 2004 19:33 GMT
I heard this from my friend who has a friend who worked for MB dealer... so
I assume the answer is real deal. However, I am not sure the price... I
believe it is $15,000 maybe it is $20,000... and I am positive the car will
be shipped back to MB in Germany.
Juergen . - 03 Dec 2004 20:31 GMT
> I heard this from my friend who has a friend who worked for MB dealer... so
> I assume the answer is real deal. However, I am not sure the price... I
> believe it is $15,000 maybe it is $20,000... and I am positive the car will
> be shipped back to MB in Germany.

No way!!!

Besides the fact a fixed price makes no sense a full
restoration is _much_ more expensive if you have to
pay for it - a painting alone can cost more than 15.000.

Juergen
Juergen . - 03 Dec 2004 20:32 GMT
> I heard this from my friend who has a friend
> who worked for MB dealer... so
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> and I am positive the car will
> be shipped back to MB in Germany.

No way!!!

Besides the fact a fixed price makes no sense a full
restoration is _much_ more expensive if you have to
pay for it.

Juergen
Tiger - 03 Dec 2004 23:47 GMT
Why no? Maybe you might take MB up on the offer to restore your 240D...
;o)
Juergen . - 04 Dec 2004 00:01 GMT
> Why no?

MB would make significant losses with such an offer.

> Maybe you might take MB up on the offer to restore your 240D...
> ;o)

That would be a bad deal for me - even after the restoration
the car would be worth less than he 15 (or even 20) grand;
it would be wiser to spend that amount of money on a newer MB
so after only 21+ years on the W123 diesel sedans maybe it is
time to look for another MB ;-)

Juergen
Bill Schmidt - 04 Dec 2004 15:54 GMT
Tiger, are you saying that MB may be interested in restoring 240Ds?!

I've got a '74 that I'd LOVE to have them restore!  Where do I sign up!
Think I could get 'em to bolt on a Turbo while they're under the hood?

:-)

- Bill

> Why no? Maybe you might take MB up on the offer to restore your 240D...
> ;o)
Scott Jacobs - 04 Dec 2004 18:14 GMT
A few years back Nissan bought up a bunch of old Datsun 240Z's and restored
them, for sale, at Nissan dealerships. During the course of the program they
also arranged with owners to take their privately owned Z cars in, for the
restoration, at the same price. The price was $25,000. Various afficianados
of Z's calculated that you could privately do the same job that the factory
was doing at a somewhat lower price. The private job would not, of course,
have the factory stamp on it and would certainly command less value, if
sold.

If the Mercedes restoration program everybody is speaking about is for real
the Nissan program should give you a low end range benchmark on the price.
One, of course, would expect that it would be more expensive to restore any
Mercedes, in Germany, than a Datsun 240Z in Japan. For example, Nissan
dealers will sell you a factory rebuilt 280ZX engine for $1300-1400. Try to
get a factory rebuilt Mercedes engine for that price.

I know whereof I speak, I have two Mercedes and two Z's

If for some strange reason Daimler-Chrysler has lost its mind and will
indeed fully restore an old Benz for $15,000, I for one, would like to sign
up. Who cares about resale value  - I'd just drive the car for another 20
years.

I'm not holding my breath, however.

> From: "Bill Schmidt" <bschmidt105092@comcast.net>
> Newsgroups: alt.auto.mercedes
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>> Why no? Maybe you might take MB up on the offer to restore your 240D...
>> ;o)
Just Mike - 03 Dec 2004 15:08 GMT
>And she runs like  a sewing machine.

Sounds great! It's fantastic when you get something you have been
hanging on for isn't it. As for how she runs; I just pray that she
doesn't start doing zig-zag :o)
Mike
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