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Car Forum / Mercedes-Benz Cars / December 2004

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HELP ME PLEASE  93 190 rear brakes

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Cctdl4 - 12 Dec 2004 18:47 GMT
i have a 190 benzs and the rear brake stick all the time. i have change the
pads rotors both brake hoses brake lines i bleed them and no air comes out just
fluid, but the still stick some say its in my abs some say booster. help me
please
Karl - 12 Dec 2004 22:42 GMT
You did not fix the problem. Replace the MASTER cylinder. It is not an ABS problem, stick to the
basic hydraulic system.... that is where the problem is.

> i have a 190 benzs and the rear brake stick all the time. i have change the
> pads rotors both brake hoses brake lines i bleed them and no air comes out just
> fluid, but the still stick some say its in my abs some say booster. help me
> please
Cctdl4 - 13 Dec 2004 02:23 GMT
ok but wouldnt that effect both front and rear brake im only have problem with
the rear wheel sticking could there still be air in the line.  thank you for
youradvice it  help me make up my mind im gone  to replace it next
Jerry Sommer - 13 Dec 2004 03:13 GMT
I would think if it is both rear wheels it is the master cylinder but if
 it is only one it might be the caliper.  Jerry in Ohio
Helen - 14 Dec 2004 03:02 GMT
>I would think if it is both rear wheels it is the master cylinder but if it is
>only one it might be the caliper.  Jerry in Ohio

I just had to have a passenger side, rear wheel caliper done.  He said that both
sides
are the same age and likely to go at the same time, thus he didn't like to do just
one
unless it was due to some accident rather than normal wear.  He said that
sometimes
when just one is replaced that the other one with then blow out.  So next week I'm
having the other one done...or at least checked for its condition. Is that the way
you
deal with the caliper thing?  e.g., replace both back ones at the same time?
Martin Joseph - 15 Dec 2004 06:35 GMT
>> I would think if it is both rear wheels it is the master cylinder but
>> if it is only one it might be the caliper.  Jerry in Ohio
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> that the way you
> deal with the caliper thing?  e.g., replace both back ones at the same time?

You don't normally need to do that,  but if the car has a long service
life behind it, it's not a bad idea to do them both.

Marty

PS The fixing one side, makes the other side blow a week later theory is crap.
Karl - 13 Dec 2004 04:26 GMT
That is why you have a dual master cylinder: front and rear are independant of each other.
Look at your reservoir. You will see 2 chambers. The large chamber is for the front brakes, they
have larger calipers. The small chamber is the rear brakes. It is usually at the booster end of the
master. The master has two plungers in it, not one for both. Here is a break down pic of a tandem
master cylinder: [it is a VW but it is same idea]
http://www.ratwell.com/technical/Microfiche/t205000.gif

> ok but wouldnt that effect both front and rear brake im only have problem with
> the rear wheel sticking could there still be air in the line.  thank you for
> youradvice it  help me make up my mind im gone  to replace it next
Roland Franzius - 13 Dec 2004 12:53 GMT
> i have a 190 benzs and the rear brake stick all the time. i have change the
> pads rotors both brake hoses brake lines i bleed them and no air comes out just
> fluid, but the still stick some say its in my abs some say booster. help me
> please

Did you correctly install and adjust the parking brakes? I don't think
that the normal brake can block the wheels all the time. The additional
parking brake blocks if any of its springs are not in place.

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Just Mike - 13 Dec 2004 15:59 GMT
>Did you correctly install and adjust the parking brakes? I don't think
>that the normal brake can block the wheels all the time. The additional
>parking brake blocks if any of its springs are not in place.

After a time the rubber hoses can become weak, they swell when you
apply the brakes and then don't properly return to their original
size, keeping a slight pressure on the caliper pistons. If it is this
you'll need new rubber (or braided) hoses.
Mike
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Martin Joseph - 13 Dec 2004 18:29 GMT
>> i have a 190 benzs and the rear brake stick all the time. i have change the
>> pads rotors both brake hoses brake lines i bleed them and no air comes out just
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> that the normal brake can block the wheels all the time. The additional
> parking brake blocks if any of its springs are not in place.

Check the hand brake first,  if that is working ok, then it's your master...

Marty
pkmaven - 13 Dec 2004 23:10 GMT
When you say that the brakes "stick", are you saying that the calipers grip
the rotors and don't release when you take you foot off the brake? Have you
had the calipers checked? They are pretty old at this date. If the brake
fluid is correct, and the master cylinder is working, physically examining
the calipers would be a good idea. Given the expansion flexibility of rubber
brake lines, braided stainless over teflon gives a much better feel when
braking, as do Zimmerman cross-drilled rotors (front) with Rotex Gold brake
pads (coximport.com) which don't make the front wheels black at all! P.

> i have a 190 benzs and the rear brake stick all the time. i have change the
> pads rotors both brake hoses brake lines i bleed them and no air comes out just
> fluid, but the still stick some say its in my abs some say booster. help me
> please
Cctdl4 - 14 Dec 2004 23:13 GMT
i for got  i have new caliper are new as well thank you guys you been a real
help thanks again
 
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