One morning my `91 300 D Turbo (290K Km / 180 K miles) suddenly developed a
terrible rattling noise on idle. The rattling disappears completely if the
rpm are raised to about 1000 and appear again on idle after that. It's
sounds like the noise come from the front side of the engine. My guess was
that it is the timing chain. However, I thing the chain starts to make noise
more gradually, not from one day to the next. Therefore I thought that may
be the timing chain tensioner was broken and I replaced with a new one,
filled with oil as it was described in the manual. However, nothing changes.
Could it be that the sound comes not from the chain but something else or I
should go directly for a new chain?
Thanks.
Niels Ulrik - 21 Dec 2004 17:28 GMT
> One morning my `91 300 D Turbo (290K Km / 180 K miles) suddenly developed
> a terrible rattling noise on idle. The rattling disappears completely if
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> Thanks.
oilchange
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yes, oilchange. oilchange every 3000 kilometers.
but for this rattle do oilchange every 500 km 3 times.
dont forget the oilfilter - chance every time.
use a good synthetic oil on the last 500 km change
your engine is most likely dirty inside of it
Dimi - 21 Dec 2004 17:43 GMT
The oil is changed on the recommended intervals (10 000 km) or shorter
allays together with the oil filter. I am using fully synthetic 0W40 over
the last 60 000 km. The last oil and filter change was 2000 km ago.
So, I could not agree with you.
However, thank you for your opinion.
Dimi
> oilchange
> oilchange
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> your engine is most likely dirty inside of it
pool man - 21 Dec 2004 20:30 GMT
broken motor mount
the case, minus a few cans!
Niels Ulrik - 21 Dec 2004 20:34 GMT
> The oil is changed on the recommended intervals (10 000 km) or shorter
> allays together with the oil filter. I am using fully synthetic 0W40 over
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> Dimi
My 190D 2.5 had a rattle like you mention. Just between 1000-1200 rpm.
Annoying. I kept doing oilchanges as I believed my engine was dirty from
prior owner. No more rattle after many oilchanges a year ago. Runs fine now.
If you dont do oilchanges yourself make sure you SEE it done you never know
what those mechanics do. Maybe change oil yourself. And filter. Takes 15
minutes.
Theese engines are made to run and run and run.
Maybe add some diesel fuel treetment to your tank to clean your injectors.
Do this very often.
Once your engine dont rattle then treament follows regularly.
Regards
Niels
Dimi - 22 Dec 2004 09:13 GMT
> My 190D 2.5 had a rattle like you mention. Just between 1000-1200 rpm.
> Annoying. I kept doing oilchanges as I believed my engine was dirty from
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> know what those mechanics do. Maybe change oil yourself. And filter. Takes
> 15 minutes.
Could it be that you mean the knocking noise that some times comes from the
hydraulic valve lifters? If yes, it is clearly not my case. I know the sound
of knocking lifters very well. My engine rattles and clatters much terribly.
However, I think that 60 000 km with regular oil change intervals using the
best fully synthetic oils on the German market and only MB OEM oil filters,
should prevent an excessive dirt deposition. Additionally the engine was
flushed two times with engine flush and due to different reasons the oil was
changed several times on very short intervals (500 to 2000 km).
And yes, after some bad experience with the workshops years ago, I always do
the routine maintains (all fluids and filter changes etc.) myself.
> Maybe add some diesel fuel treetment to your tank to clean your injectors.
> Do this very often.
>
> Once your engine dont rattle then treament follows regularly.
This is a good point. I have a diesel fuel treatment in the tank added ~1000
km ago (they claim that it should be active at least 2000 km) but will not
harm to add some more. I can not exclude the injectors as a source of the
rattling noise. The noise is to loud to localize it correctly.
Thanks
Dimi
Henry Kolesnik - 22 Dec 2004 03:36 GMT
Your description of the noise, rattling is difficult to interpret. Does the
noise increase in intensity with increased rpm or just frequency? Does the
engine shake? Does it do it all the time, or after a cold start, or???

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> One morning my `91 300 D Turbo (290K Km / 180 K miles) suddenly developed
> a terrible rattling noise on idle. The rattling disappears completely if
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>
> Thanks.
Dimi - 22 Dec 2004 08:33 GMT
The noise level do not increase with the increasing rpm, just the frequency
increase but only up to 900-1000 rpm. At higher rpm the engine sounds
absolutely normal.
The rattling noise is permanent at idle rpm, regardless the temperature of
engine and the ambient temperature.
I do not see an excessive shaking of the engine.
Dimi
> Your description of the noise, rattling is difficult to interpret. Does
> the noise increase in intensity with increased rpm or just frequency?
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>> Thanks.
Niels Ulrik - 22 Dec 2004 10:07 GMT
> The noise level do not increase with the increasing rpm, just the
> frequency
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> Dimi
sounds just like what i had
i'd say lifters or injectors
Martin Joseph - 22 Dec 2004 08:33 GMT
> One morning my `91 300 D Turbo (290K Km / 180 K miles) suddenly
> developed a terrible rattling noise on idle. The rattling disappears
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> Could it be that the sound comes not from the chain but something else
> or I should go directly for a new chain?
Get a piece of hose and a screwdriver, move around the engine while
it's running and listen with the hose. Locate where the noise is
actually coming from first.
Could be serpentine belt tensioner, or alternator or waterpump most likely ...
Marty
News Groups - 22 Dec 2004 14:31 GMT
I had a similar problem on my 300E. It was caused by a worn out bushing at
the top of the belt damper.
The damper looks like a small shock absorber, and only of the top of it is
visible unless you stick your head in there and look closely. In my case.
the top of the damper was visibly loose and rattling/knocking... mostly when
I put it in gear at an idle.
>> One morning my `91 300 D Turbo (290K Km / 180 K miles) suddenly developed
>> a terrible rattling noise on idle. The rattling disappears completely if
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> Marty
Dimi - 22 Dec 2004 14:46 GMT
>I had a similar problem on my 300E. It was caused by a worn out bushing at
>the top of the belt damper.
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> the top of the damper was visibly loose and rattling/knocking... mostly
> when I put it in gear at an idle.
I know what you mean - the small damper on the belt tensioner. It was
replaced by me a year ago but I will check it.
Thanks for the hint.
Dimi
Tiger - 24 Dec 2004 22:08 GMT
It is not that damper... it is your tensioner pulley... change it... only
$30. Easy to tell... the damper rattles as you touch it...
Dimi - 23 Dec 2004 13:31 GMT
It was the crankshaft belt pulley. One of its bolts was broken, one was
fallen down and all of the rest were loose.
How this could happend?
A week ago the car was in the workshop for A/C job. What should I think?
Dimi
> One morning my `91 300 D Turbo (290K Km / 180 K miles) suddenly developed
> a terrible rattling noise on idle. The rattling disappears completely if
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>
> Thanks.
Niels Ulrik - 23 Dec 2004 18:03 GMT
> It was the crankshaft belt pulley. One of its bolts was broken, one was
> fallen down and all of the rest were loose.
> How this could happend?
> A week ago the car was in the workshop for A/C job. What should I think?
oh dear - a careless mechanic. mention it too the mechanic and try to make a
joke of it and ask for a free oilchange
Dimi - 24 Dec 2004 12:17 GMT
I do not think that I will go to this workshop again even for an oil change.
After two visits for several days each, my A/C is still empty. Every time
they said that now the A/C is OK.
I case that some one from the region reads this -
Autohaus Borgdorf GmbH (Mercedes-Benz Dealer), 06484 Quedlinburg, Germany.
NOT Recommended!
Dimi
>> It was the crankshaft belt pulley. One of its bolts was broken, one was
>> fallen down and all of the rest were loose.
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> oh dear - a careless mechanic. mention it too the mechanic and try to make
> a joke of it and ask for a free oilchange
Niels Ulrik - 23 Dec 2004 19:58 GMT
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