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Car Forum / Mercedes-Benz Cars / December 2004

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260,000 miles and counting ?????

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MercedesGal - 30 Dec 2004 05:51 GMT
I have owned a 1984 300 SD for over 20 years.  I really like the car and
don't want to get rid of it, but lately I have had a number of problems.
It is getting really hard to start in the morning.  Originally, I
attributed it to the cold weather, but I live in Los Angeles, and it
rarely get below 40 degrees at night.  When it finally does start, there
is not a problem restarting.  

Now, I am experiencing a jerking motion when trying driving. I thought
that it may have something to do with being cold, but it still occurs even
when the car is warm.  

Is this a transmission problem?  If so, is it worth fixing, or should I
just junk it and buy another car? I have over 260,000 miles on the engine,
and people tell me that it will go for at least 400,000 miles.
T.G. Lambach - 30 Dec 2004 08:25 GMT
It may be that the glow plugs are not working. Have your repair shop
check the glow plug relay's fuse a/k/a fuseable link.

Hard shifts are usually due to a vacuum leak - the task is for the
repair shop to find it. Could be very easy, or not.

The engines that run for 400K miles are the ones whose oil is changed
every 2,000 or 3,000 miles, all filters are regularly replaced etc.
They're owned by very fastidious people.

The more typical lifespan is about 275K miles +/- 10%. Your car is about
there.

The internal condition of any diesel engine can be determined via a
compression test. That will tell you whether it's time to settle in for
a few more years of dieseling or to start car shopping.

I've owned a '80 300SD since new and still appreciate its charms.
dkmcp@hotmail.com - 30 Dec 2004 17:46 GMT
> It may be that the glow plugs are not working. Have your repair shop
> check the glow plug relay's fuse a/k/a fuseable link.
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> The engines that run for 400K miles are the ones whose oil is changed

> every 2,000 or 3,000 miles, all filters are regularly replaced etc.
> They're owned by very fastidious people.
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> I've owned a '80 300SD since new and still appreciate its charms.

I have the same problem, 83 300SD 170K miles. Is there a way to check
the glow plugs while still connected? They are energized from a relay
so when power is off can you do a resistance check to ground? I removed
1 glow plug (#3) and bench tested OK. After re-installing it measures
the same while connected or disconnected, about 8 ohms.
T.G. Lambach - 30 Dec 2004 18:48 GMT
I believe the lady's glow plug relay fuse has melted and her engine's
glow plugs are therefore not receiving any power. The glow plug relay
has a cover which slides UP to reveal the fuse or fusable link. A
replacement link costs about $1. Imagine, buying a M-B part for $1!

As to checking a glow plug, They should have some resistance BUT if they
do that doesn't prove that they're working, in my experience. I've
removed them and tested each with jumper wires from the battery - and
each quickly boiled water BUT one was still weak and had to be found by
elimination - install a new GP in #2 try it, no change, put old #2 into
#3 etc until the misfire problem was fixed.

First check the link.
pool man - 31 Dec 2004 00:55 GMT
pull 5 prong plug
put meter in plug and ground the other end to check for ohms.

the case, minus a few cans!
Tiger - 31 Dec 2004 03:18 GMT
I agree with TG and Pool Man... very simple fix. All related to glow plug
and its related parts.
Central Florida - 31 Dec 2004 13:55 GMT
If you replace one glow plug, replace them all. They are all the same age,
right? If one is bad, the rest are getting there quickly. Not worth the
hassle of dealing with the same problem over and over.

But the easiest problem to fix is the fuse-link. Check that first. And, Yea,
it is only a buck.

Larry
In the back yard, five-at-a-time under the oak.
dkmcp@hotmail.com - 31 Dec 2004 16:41 GMT
When I removed the #3 glow plug and tested I did this with 12 volts and
the plug glowed cherry red in a few seconds indicating that it was
working fine. The reason I wanted to know if there was a way to check
while still in the circuit was because I can hardly get to the
connections and when I do the black plastic sleeve covering the wire
cracks and disintegrates. The hardest one to get to is the #5 plug as
it is stuffed back behind the oil filter and a b**tch to get to. I have
not checked the wiring diagram (don't have one) to see how these are
wired but they appear to be in parallel as there is an individual wire
running to each one from the same source. If parallel then 1 plug could
be bad without affecting the rest, can anyone confirm this? If they
were series connected then you could check for continuity from the
first to the last and then determine which one was your problem. My
guess is the relay and fuse must be OK as I get 12v to every glow plug.
I have an infrared thermometer on order to try and determone if the
plugs are working without removal, anyone have experience with these
and do you think my plan might work to test without disconnecting.
Currently the glow sequence starts and runs until the glow light turns
off and then continues for about 15 more seconds before shutting off
and the engine just turns over without firing. Could this be valve
related? Car runs like a scalded cat after I get it started, well maybe
not scalded but the turbo runs full time and will actually put down
rubber if I brake stall it. I can't get back to this problem until
after Jan 2 but will post my findings; until then, have a Happy New
Year everyone and thanks for the insight and input.
Doug in Sacramento
pool man - 31 Dec 2004 21:34 GMT
if once started it runs good the motor is i would guess ok.

bad compression shows up slowly unless you forgot to put oil in it.

also glow plugs die one at a time so check the fuse. if its ok i would
bite the bullet & get a relay for it.

now i did have one have the 5 prong plug not proper contact once. it
needed to be firmly pushed in once cleaned .

the case, minus a few cans!
T.G. Lambach - 31 Dec 2004 22:12 GMT
I suggest you focus on the car's glow plug relay rather than individual
glow plugs. A bad relay will kill ALL the glow plugs which seems to be
your complaint.

An individual glow plug's failure would allow the engine to start but it
would do so with a single cylinder misfire for a few seconds after which
all would be normal.
 
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