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Car Forum / Mercedes-Benz Cars / October 2006

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S420 fail smog test

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Dara - 09 Jan 2005 18:57 GMT
Hi Mercedes fan,
I have a 1996 S420 Benz, it failed the smog test twice.  Right now it at the
Smog test and repair station, being diagnose.  The smog guy said he need to
drive the car for atleast 150 to 200 miles, so he can get the monitor or
engine light to come on.  Have anyone have this problem.  I need to get the
smog pass, so I can register the car.

Thanks in advance,
Dara
Karl - 09 Jan 2005 19:43 GMT
What part of the test failed??
Do you have a print out of the tailpipe readings?
A little more info WOULD help!!

> Hi Mercedes fan,
> I have a 1996 S420 Benz, it failed the smog test twice.  Right now it at the
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> Thanks in advance,
> Dara
Dara - 10 Jan 2005 01:30 GMT
I think it have something to do with OBD, which require me to drive certain
amount of miles.  Due to someone turning of the engine light.
> What part of the test failed??
> Do you have a print out of the tailpipe readings?
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>> Thanks in advance,
>> Dara
Øyvind Syljuåsen - 10 Jan 2005 09:30 GMT
> I think it have something to do with OBD, which require me to drive certain
> amount of miles.  Due to someone turning of the engine light.

This page will have some instructions (I think...):

http://www.europeantransmissions.com/Bulletin/merctechlib.htm

br,
syljua
Karl - 10 Jan 2005 14:47 GMT
I believe the OBDII drive test does not apply to a 96 MB. A 96 should be OBD. OBDII started in 98?

> > I think it have something to do with OBD, which require me to drive certain
> > amount of miles.  Due to someone turning of the engine light.
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> br,
> syljua
Kenneth P. Stox - 10 Jan 2005 15:38 GMT
> I believe the OBDII drive test does not apply to a 96 MB. A 96 should be OBD. OBDII started in 98?

Wrong, '96 is OBDII. I think '95 may have been also.
Peter W Peternouschek - 10 Jan 2005 17:07 GMT
My 1995 SL320 is also OBDII compliant

Peter

> > I believe the OBDII drive test does not apply to a 96 MB. A 96 should be OBD. OBDII started in 98?
>
> Wrong, '96 is OBDII. I think '95 may have been also.
Kenneth P. Stox - 09 Jan 2005 20:27 GMT
> Hi Mercedes fan,
> I have a 1996 S420 Benz, it failed the smog test twice.  Right now it at the
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> Thanks in advance,
> Dara

Let me guess, they failed you because your Check Engine Light was on
when they did the test. There is a Mercedes Service Bulletin about this.
On 1996, and some other model years, the Check Engine Light illuminates
whenever a device is successfully connected to the OBDII port. This lets
you know that the device is actually plugged in. This does not indicate
a failure. Later versions of the OBDII spec disallowed this "feature".
TheSmogTech - 29 Jan 2005 22:21 GMT
Hello Dara,

Your vehicles might be failing from an OBDII readiness problems. Here's
the explanation. Note: This info is from SmogTips.com.
http://www.smogtips.com.

If you own a 1996 or newer vehicle you more then likely own a vehicle
which is equipped with an On-Board Diagnostics system called OBD II.
The OBD II Diagnostic system is designed to monitor all aspects of your
engine's emission conditions and report this information to a central
database within the OBDII computer. This information is processed and
checked against the computer's pre-determined values for various inputs
levels and performance patterns of your vehicle. If any problems are
found, the computer will determine whether to alert the driver or not.
If a decision has been made to alert the driver of an emissions
problem, the "Check Engine" or "Engine Malfunction" light will
illuminate on the vehicle's dashboard. In more serious emission
conditions the computer may even begin to rapidly flash the "Check
Engine/Malfunction" light indicating to the driver, that the vehicle
needs immediate diagnosis/repair attention.

Now here's what the smog test has to do with the OBD II system. Your
vehicle is equipped with an OBD II computer AND a link to connect the
OBD II computer to a Smog Check Analyzer or Data Scan Tool (available
at most auto part stores). The OBD II link relays all "Check Engine"
conditions along with stored Trouble Codes within the central database,
to the smog machine during the time of the smog inspection. If any
codes are present which cause the Check Engine light to illuminate
either regularly or intermittently, the vehicle fails the smog
inspection. Here's the tricky part, not all computer codes illuminate
the Check Engine light, yet will fail a vehicle during the smog test.

In fact I can say there are two types of codes, bad codes and good
codes. The good codes are the "Readiness Flags". These Readiness Flags
indicate that certain emissions systems which the OBD II computer has
been monitoring have PASSED the test, indicating that those systems are
working properly. Then there are the bad codes. The bad codes are
actual "Trouble Code". These codes indicate that the OBD II computer
has detected a problem with in the emissions system. The Trouble Code
will specifically indicate the component and problem which was found.
Newer vehicle's have very complex codes in the thousands.

A vehicle will fail the smog inspection if the proper "Readiness Flags"
are not set. A vehicle will also fail the smog inspection if any
"Trouble Codes" are present. So it is possible for a vehicle to fail
the smog inspection without the "Check Engine" light on. "Readiness
Flags" do not cause the "Check Engine" light to illuminate, but may
cause a vehicle to fail the smog test.

The repair in this case involves extracting all stored trouble codes
and readiness flag readings from the OBDII, and inspecting the
emissions systems which are indicated. If this has already been done.
The next step involves driving the vehicle through 2 or 3 "drive cycle"
in order to set the proper "flags". Drive cycles vary per vehicle -
usually 1-2 weeks worth of driving is enough.

I hope this information is helpful to you. If there is anything I can
help with in the future, don't hesitate to e-mail.

For more information you may want to locate a reputable smog service
center in your area by simply typing in your zip code in the Smog Shop
Locator search section at www.smogtips.com

Sincerely,
Alec -  SmogTips Support

> Hi Mercedes fan,
> I have a 1996 S420 Benz, it failed the smog test twice.  Right now it at the
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> Thanks in advance,
> Dara
Martin Joseph - 30 Jan 2005 08:44 GMT
<snip>
I hope this information is helpful to you. If there is anything I can
> help with in the future, don't hesitate to e-mail.
>
> For more information you may want to locate a reputable smog service
> center in your area by simply typing in your zip code in the Smog Shop
> Locator search section at www.smogtips.com

Very interesting! thanks,
Shimon - 28 Oct 2006 20:50 GMT
Hello Alec,

My S420 Benz 1996, had also failed the smug test.and my mechanic has informed
me that he had checked all possible reasons the will cause the car to`fail
the smog test. The print of the test shows "Not Ready" for all he 5 points.
Today I was told that my car needs a new computer inorder to pass the test.
Any comments.

Regards,
Shimon

>Hello Dara,
>
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>> Thanks in advance,
>> Dara
 
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