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Car Forum / Mercedes-Benz Cars / January 2005

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antony.adshead@rbi.co.uk - 24 Jan 2005 12:31 GMT
My 1984 Merc 280e sort of judders as it comes to a halt. No problem
stopping, just a sort of grabbing as it comes to a halt. Any ideas
anyone?

tia

Antony
Martin Joseph - 24 Jan 2005 18:52 GMT
> My 1984 Merc 280e sort of judders as it comes to a halt. No problem
> stopping, just a sort of grabbing as it comes to a halt. Any ideas
> anyone?

Although I have no idea what juddering is,  this could be many
things...  Rotors which are out of round are a first guess.

Do you feel any side to side wiggling when this happens?

Try stopping with the emergency brake only and see if that does the
same thing.  If so then it's a problem with the rear wheels and it's
not related to hydraulics.

Good Luck,
Marty
Martin Joseph - 24 Jan 2005 19:31 GMT
>> My 1984 Merc 280e sort of judders as it comes to a halt. No problem
>> stopping, just a sort of grabbing as it comes to a halt. Any ideas
>> anyone?
>
> Although I have no idea what juddering is,  this could be many
> things...  Rotors which are out of round are a first guess.

Actually I don't mean out of round... Sorry!  I mean warped or not flat.
Rodney T. Grill - 24 Jan 2005 19:44 GMT
>> My 1984 Merc 280e sort of judders as it comes to a halt. No problem
>> stopping, just a sort of grabbing as it comes to a halt. Any ideas
>> anyone?
>
> Although I have no idea what juddering is,  this could be many things...
> Rotors which are out of round are a first guess.

Assuming that the OP's term "juddering" means "pulsing at slow speeds" or
"vibrating at high speeds", then I would think like you in that the rotors
are not true (i.e. warped).  This can usually be resolved by having them
turned on a lathe, unless they are below spec.  If they are below spec (i.e.
worn thinner than manufacturer's recommendations), that could be what caused
them to be warped.  However, rotors can also become warped when overheated,
as could happen with a stuck caliper or other system defect.  In either
case, a good inspection of the brake system is in order.

> Do you feel any side to side wiggling when this happens?

If so, then it could be a wheel or tire problem.

> Try stopping with the emergency brake only and see if that does the same
> thing.  If so then it's a problem with the rear wheels and it's not
> related to hydraulics.

I'm not certain about this particular, but the emergency brake may use a
separate drum and shoe system for the emergency brake, so using it will not
even engage the rear discs at all.  This would, however, help rule out any
tire or wheel problems.

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John Glover - 24 Jan 2005 21:16 GMT
Possibly warped discs.

John
> My 1984 Merc 280e sort of judders as it comes to a halt. No problem
> stopping, just a sort of grabbing as it comes to a halt. Any ideas
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> Antony
Richard Sexton - 25 Jan 2005 20:16 GMT
>My 1984 Merc 280e sort of judders as it comes to a halt. No problem
>stopping, just a sort of grabbing as it comes to a halt. Any ideas
>anyone?

Could be a couple of things. You'll need to have somebody that
knows these cars very well look at it. Rotors shoulebe measured for
out of round and replaced if not (they're stupid cheap) and if they're ok
it could be a suspension (monor) problem.

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