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Car Forum / Mercedes-Benz Cars / January 2005

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E300D ?95 cooling problem?

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Jens Norking - 26 Jan 2005 23:44 GMT
I have a ?95 124 E300 D aut. (Certified/approved to tow up to 1,9t).  Under
normal driving circumstances I have no cooling problems - temp. is around
85?C. When I?m towing my caravan (1,3 t) my cooling water temperature
immediately increases to 100-120?C. The thermostat is OK (checked) - engine
is otherwise OK - not that worn.Normal engine oil consumption.  Anybody
knows why?
Could it be, that the aut. transmission fluid is being cooled (integrated)
in the water cooler?

Regards,

Jens
Tiger - 27 Jan 2005 01:58 GMT
Whenever you do heavy towing it is best to add another transmission
cooler... it will extend the life of the transmission and reduce the wear
and tear on engine... have you checked if you have enough tranny fluid?
Jens Norking - 28 Jan 2005 21:00 GMT
There is already a standard transmission oil cooler. But  it could be an
option. it ought to be able to cope with the temperatures.
And yes, the tranni fluid is right at the check mark and the colour is also
OK.

Could it be the engine oil that needs a cooler. I haven?t checked whether it
is equipped with such...

Thanks for the advices

Jens

> Whenever you do heavy towing it is best to add another transmission
> cooler...
... have you checked if you have enough tranny fluid?
T.G. Lambach - 27 Jan 2005 04:02 GMT
Pulling a trailer makes the engine consume a lot more fuel and the
radiator needs to shed the unused / wasted BTUs in that extra fuel so
there's no wonder that the coolant temperature is higher than driving
w/o the trailer.

I wouldn't be concerned about it so long as the temp remains below 120
degrees C.

You can clean the radiator's outside with a garden hose and nozzle or
remove it and have the inside passages and the outside coils
professionally cleaned by a radiator shop.

Of course, the electric radiator fans - which you didn't mention -
should run when the coolant temp. exceeds 100 degrees C.
Do they?
Jens Norking - 28 Jan 2005 21:02 GMT
> Pulling a trailer makes the engine consume a lot more fuel and the
> radiator needs to shed the unused / wasted BTUs in that extra fuel so
> there's no wonder that the coolant temperature is higher than driving w/o
> the trailer.

I know - and agree. I don?t know the abbreviation BTO - please explain :-)

> I wouldn't be concerned about it so long as the temp remains below 120
> degrees C.

Why not. This is still a pretty high temperature. If  I?m going on vacation
from Denmark (where I live) to Italy (round 1500 km) it is a lot of engine
running hours with a temperature round 30C degrees over the normal.

> You can clean the radiator's outside with a garden hose and nozzle or
> remove it and have the inside passages and the outside coils
> professionally cleaned by a radiator shop.

Agree - some of the inside passages might be blocked. I?ll try to flush and
clean the entire cooling circuit in near future just to eliminate this
option. Otherwise it needs a new cooler - but from outside it looks in fine
condition.

> Of course, the electric radiator fans - which you didn't mention - should
> run when the coolant temp. exceeds 100 degrees C.
> Do they?

Yes, the normal cooler fan as well as the a/c fan works correctly
Martin Joseph - 27 Jan 2005 08:30 GMT
> I have a ´95 124 E300 D aut. (Certified/approved to tow up to 1,9t).  
> Under normal driving circumstances I have no cooling problems - temp.
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> Could it be, that the aut. transmission fluid is being cooled
> (integrated) in the water cooler?

Yes,  the car runs hotter when towing because it's working harder and
the Tranny oil most likely does also go through the radiator.  If your
car has an oil cooler it should open and start cooling the oil at about
110C  so as long as your temperature is around there (not over 120C)
the car is working correctly.

Marty
Jens Norking - 28 Jan 2005 21:59 GMT
This could be the - or one of the - explanations

Thanks

Jens

>  If your car has an oil cooler it should open and start cooling the oil at
> about 110C  so as long as your temperature is around there (not over 120C)
> the car is working correctly.
>
> Marty
Jens Norking - 28 Jan 2005 20:25 GMT
Is it normal that a diesel engine  - even when running in the best torque
interval - produces a relative more heat than a gasoline engine?
Jens Norking - 28 Jan 2005 21:08 GMT
Correction: Is it normal that a diesel engine  - even when running in the
best torque interval - produces a relative more heat than a gasoline engine
when under pressure / towing circumstances ?
Jens Norking - 28 Jan 2005 21:34 GMT
I also have a Citroen Xantia 2,0i, (gasoline) automatic (no tranny oil
cooler). This car hass less torque even at a higher RPM than my Mercedes.
The Citroen needs to kick down more often when towing the same
caravan/trailer at 85-90 km/h, but the temperature seldom increases - even
in hot weather 30?C - with more than 5-10?C.

Anyone with a good explanation on the difference in behaviour between the
Cit and the MB??

Jens
Frank Kemper - 28 Jan 2005 22:21 GMT
"Jens Norking" <scumbag_remove_@norking.dk> haute in die Tasten:

> Anyone with a good explanation on the difference in behaviour between
> the Cit and the MB??

The Xantia 2.0i 8 valve engine has its maximum torque of 178 NM at 2700
rpm. So it is not very promising to rev higher. Altogether the engine
appears less powerful than it is, most Xantia engines have quite a bit more
Oomph. I have a Xantia 2.0i and a BMW 325i with 230 NM of Torque and 170
HP. The Xantia feels less powerful than the BMW, but as a matter of fact it
is only slightly slower.

Frank

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