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Car Forum / Mercedes-Benz Cars / February 2005

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replacing valve stem seals on 300e

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mharness - 01 Feb 2005 04:12 GMT
Hello,

My 300e is using about a quart of oil every 1,000 miles and may be fouling a
plug or two in the process so I'm thinking about replacing the valve stem
seals.  Any advice on what to look out for while doing this job would be
greatly appreciated.  Found the following post on another site and dropped
it in this post for comments on whether it sounds like a valid approach.

Also looking for a good quality valve spring compressor that will work on my
particular engine.  Saw this one on the Snap On site but have no idea
whether it will work.
http://buy1.snapon.com/catalog/item.asp?P65=&tool=all&item_ID=16398&group_ID=157
5&store=snapon-store&dir=catalog


Read another comment somewhere else which suggested that replacing valve
stem seals was only viable on an older low mileage--implying that in higher
mileage cars the guides tend to leak more oil than the seals.  Any comments
or experience with that?

Thanks,

Mike

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Hi

Changed the valve stem oil seals on my 190E about 2 years ago or more
although it made little or no difference to oil consumption.
Ayway here goes
Remove HT leads from rocker cover
Remove rocker cover
Remove Spark plugs
Remove oil spray bar
Remove camshaft bearing covers/rockers
The valves are all now visible and the engine can be turned over carefully
with a socket on crank (not cam!!!)until the no. 1 piston is at TDC viewed
through plug hole.
Now this is where it gets scary
Tap the spring of the 2 valves on no. 1 piston with a hammer and drift to
break the seal on the collets.
Use a valve spring compressor to squeeze the spring (the 1 i had was
borrowed it was snap on great tool) and be very careful not to drop the
collrts remove collets and spring .
Valve will fall slightly onto top of piston remove oil seal and replace with
new one lub it before fitting.
Refit vave spring and collets.
Repeat for second valve on no. 1 piston
Turn engine over until no. 2 is at TDC and repeat.
Repeat until all 8 valves are done.
Reassemble using clean oil on bearings etc.

Points to note:
Inlet and Exhaust seals are different.
Do not turn engine over when valve springs are removed.
Tapping the spring to release seal on collets you are using the piston to
restrain the valve be sensible.
Search and get the right tool for the spring compression make one is
possible.
Make sure the piston you are removing the springs on is at TDC if it is not
the valve could fall into the chamber!!!!!!!!
Do not puncture rad with socket on crank bolt.

Good luck

This was over 2 yrs ago

230K
T.G. Lambach - 01 Feb 2005 06:48 GMT
If you asked a car manufacturer to do this job under warranty they would
refuse claiming the oil consumption falls within "normal" parameters.

Suggest you install the next higher heat range spark plug and first see
how they perform.

One can always pull the engine apart, the idea is to avoid doing that
for as long as possible.
CRGILL - 01 Feb 2005 17:24 GMT
This is a weekend job provided you have the right tools & are fairly confident
in your  wrenching abilities.  However, before you do this you might want to
switch to Valvoline MaxLife oil (or a mix - I use 3 qrts Mobil 1 15-50 plus 3
qrts 5-30) which will swell the oil seals & the valve stem seals.  I replaced
the valve stem seals at 70K miles on my 92 300e as it was using about a quart
per 1K miles.  Oil usage started creeping up again at around 110K miles, so I
started using the Mobil/MaxLife mix.  At 130K miles it now uses a quart every
5K miles.

If you do decide to change the seals, couple of things you worth considering:
Buy a couple of spare collets before you start the job.  If one bounces out
while you're compressing a valve spring & disappears down the side of the
engine you will not be able to find it... trust me.
Before moving a piston to TDC to remove the valve spring, feed in a length of
nylon rope.  When you move the piston up the rope will now push against the
valves & prevent any drop.
Only turn the engine in it's normal running direction, clockwise.  Turning it
the other way can cause the cam chain to skip teeth & you do not want that.
Put the hood in the fully vertical position.  Makes getting to the rear of the
engine much easier.
As for the valve spring compressor, I used a generic one.  Just been out to the
garage to check, there's no manufacturer name on it that I can see.  I found it
by doing a search for valve spring compressor on Google.  Progressive sells an
expensive one specifically for 124 engines.

Think that's it, good luck.

Chris
Martin Joseph - 01 Feb 2005 17:55 GMT
<snip>
> However, before you do this you might want to
> switch to Valvoline MaxLife oil (or a mix - I use 3 qrts Mobil 1 15-50 plus 3
> qrts 5-30) which will swell the oil seals & the valve stem seals.  <snip>

Don't mix oil grades!
CRGILL - 01 Feb 2005 19:37 GMT
This is probably a troll, but why on earth not?  They mix together perfectly
well, & it's what oil companies do all the time to produce their various grades
plus semi-synthetics (mix of synthetic & dino oils).
Richard Sexton - 01 Feb 2005 20:20 GMT
><snip>
>> However, before you do this you might want to
>> switch to Valvoline MaxLife oil (or a mix - I use 3 qrts Mobil 1 15-50 plus 3
>> qrts 5-30) which will swell the oil seals & the valve stem seals.  <snip>
>
>Don't mix oil grades!

Why? That's how oil is made, mixing different oils together.

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LetsTalkLegal - 02 Feb 2005 02:41 GMT
for the tool   try ebay under  mercedes tools, i see valve spring compressing
tools from time to time
Martin Joseph - 02 Feb 2005 06:24 GMT
>> <snip>
>>> However, before you do this you might want to
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
> Why? That's how oil is made, mixing different oils together.

I guess you are all petro chemists then huh?

I hear chain saw oil works real well also,  mix some of that in there...

:~)
mharness - 02 Feb 2005 02:16 GMT
Thanks for the good advice.

Mike

> This is a weekend job provided you have the right tools & are fairly
> confident
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>
> Chris
mharness - 03 Feb 2005 00:06 GMT
Is there any reason that you know of why this spring compressor won't work?

http://www.kd-tools.com/2078.htm

I'm wondering if there's enough room between or around the tool and the
valve stem to break the keeper loose without jeopordizing the valve.

Thanks,

Mike

> This is a weekend job provided you have the right tools & are fairly
> confident
[quoted text clipped - 41 lines]
>
> Chris
CRGILL - 03 Feb 2005 03:19 GMT
If I remember rightly, that tool will not work as it's not possible to get the
lower tangs under the spring.

You need a tool that looks like this one, which hooks under the camshaft & push
down on the lever.

http://www.etoolcart.com/browseproducts/-Valve-Spring-Compressor-M0068.HTML

This one looks like it might do the job too & is cheaper.  But don't take my
word for it, do some checking yourself.

http://www.toolsource.com/ost/product.asp?sourceid=googleautotools&dept%5F
id=500&pf%5Fid=58899&mscssid=SXBMPCRRDT2E8NJQV71RQ6ERTL4W8T73

Chris

>Is there any reason that you know of why this spring compressor won't work?
>
>http://www.kd-tools.com/2078.htm
 
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