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Car Forum / Mercedes-Benz Cars / February 2005oil change
I have to change the oil on my 1995 E 320 for the first time. I bought a filter-element, but can not find where to put it. And also,....... where is the oil drain plug The oil filter canister is along the firewall (top of engine, not bottom). To get to the drain plug you first need to remove the protective cover (bolts along the front and back). The drain is on the left (when facing the car). Josh >I have to change the oil on my 1995 E 320 for the first time. > I bought a filter-element, but can not find where to put it. > And also,....... where is the oil drain plug I have to change the oil on my 1995 E 320 for the first time. I bought a filter-element, but can not find where to put it. And also,....... where is the oil drain plug ........................... The oil filter canister is along the firewall (top of engine, not bottom). To get to the drain plug you first need to remove the protective cover (bolts along the front and back). The drain is on the left (when facing the car). ........................... Thanks, Josh. I will check it out. The drrain is on the right (facing the car) in the oilpan. To make your life much easier, I'd suggest purchasing a LiquiVac or other similar oil suction devices (Griot's Garage sells another variety). It consists of a canister with a suction pump and a plastic tube which goes down the oil dip stick. I can change the oil and filter on my 95 E320 in 20 minutes, less time than it takes to drive the car to the dealer. Draining the oil from the bottom is the hard way. Do it like the dealers do......suction it through the dipstick tube. >I have to change the oil on my 1995 E 320 for the first time. > I bought a filter-element, but can not find where to put it. > And also,....... where is the oil drain plug > To make your life much easier, I'd suggest purchasing a LiquiVac or > other similar oil suction devices (Griot's Garage sells another > variety). It consists > of a canister with a suction pump and a plastic tube which goes down > the oil dip stick. That is quite correct. Actually the pipe of the dip stick is long enough rirht to the bottom of the pan and it does not need an extra tube in it. A rubber host pushed tightly to the upper end of the pipe does the same and the hose may be much bigger than pte plastic tube used in the pipe. You do not need to get under the car at all. Everything can be done above the engine. Reg: Harri > To make your life much easier, I'd suggest purchasing a LiquiVac or other > similar oil suction devices (Griot's Garage sells another variety). It consists [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > bottom is the > hard way. Do it like the dealers do......suction it through the dipstick tube. Not a good idea. The primary thing you want get out of the system is any crud or bits that are sitting at the bottom. Suction is less likely to get this. Draining through the drain plug with the engine HOT is the best way. Also, I don't know any high quality shop that uses suction to change oil. Marty >> To make your life much easier, I'd suggest purchasing a LiquiVac or >> other similar oil suction devices (Griot's Garage sells another [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > Also, I don't know any high quality shop that uses suction to change > oil. You don't qualify DB dealer as a high qualify shop? Suction takes it all out. You can test this by using suction first and taking the plug off then. I have done this with my previous Benz (190E 2,6) some 15 years ago. Nothing more come out. I have never touched the plug ever since. Reg: Harri > You can test this by using suction first and taking the plug off then. > I have done this with my previous Benz (190E 2,6) some 15 years ago. > Nothing more come out. Duh! You already drained all the oil, which would have flushed the crud out! > I have never touched the plug ever since. More power to you. I prefer the old school way. Marty >> You can test this by using suction first and taking the plug off >> then. I have done this with my previous Benz (190E 2,6) some 15 years >> ago. >> Nothing more come out. > Duh! You already drained all the oil, which would have flushed the > crud out! And you suppose the oil flowing out thru the dip stick pipe don't flush the crud out, or what? The Benz dip stick pipe is designed to this purpose. It is long enough to the bottom of the oil pan. >> I have never touched the plug ever since. > More power to you. I prefer the old school way. Well, that's of cource allowed to you. I do not do it that way any more. Reg: Harri >>> You can test this by using suction first and taking the plug off >>> then. I have done this with my previous Benz (190E 2,6) some 15 years ago. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > And you suppose the oil flowing out thru the dip stick pipe don't flush > the crud out, or what? No it doesn't because it's working AGAINST gravity. > The Benz dip stick pipe is designed to this purpose. It is long enough > to the bottom of the oil pan. Impossible. There has to to be some space for it to gain suction. >>> I have never touched the plug ever since. >> More power to you. I prefer the old school way. > > Well, that's of cource allowed to you. I do not do it that way any more. Thanks, and you are certainly allowed to use the suction method :~) Ultimately, timely and regular changing of the oil via either method is the most important thing. Marty >>>> You can test this by using suction first and taking the plug off >>>> then. I have done this with my previous Benz (190E 2,6) some 15 [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > Ultimately, timely and regular changing of the oil via either method > is the most important thing. Actually 'my' method seems to be approved by Benz but as you did say most important is to change in. Not the method. http://www.oilchangesolution.com/newpdf/TT-28MB.pdf Reg: Harri <snip> > Actually 'my' method seems to be approved by Benz but as you did say > most important is to change in. Not the method. > > http://www.oilchangesolution.com/newpdf/TT-28MB.pdf Very interesting indeed. The product sold by this company(TT 28), replaces the good old DRAIN PLUG with a plug featuring a snap on pressure fitting on it, and the oil is drained from there, not via the dipstick tube. This actually provides the best of both worlds (ie suction and gravity). The MB approved machine doesn't have pictures of how it works, so I can't say whether that actually uses the dipstick tube... marty > <snip> >> Actually 'my' method seems to be approved by Benz but as you did say [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > oil is drained from there, not via the dipstick tube. This actually > provides the best of both worlds (ie suction and gravity). Well, that might be the case here. I did not find anything better from the internet with a quite hasty seek. Reg: Harri >>>> You can test this by using suction first and taking the plug off >>>> then. I have done this with my previous Benz (190E 2,6) some 15 [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >> flush the crud out, or what? > No it doesn't because it's working AGAINST gravity. There http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-62316.html is some discussion about it too. Reg: Harri >>>>> You can test this by using suction first and taking the plug off >>>>> then. I have done this with my previous Benz (190E 2,6) some 15 [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > is some discussion about it too. Certainly the drain plug which has a special fitting for vacuum oil changing seems to satisfy my protests, and is very slick. I wonder how much this machine costs? I am going to find out. Certainly the idea of never needing to pull the drain plug or deal with draining the oil into a pan and pouring it into a bottle etc. is very appealing. This must be a HUGE savings for big fleets with high duty cycles. Marty Hey Martin, Check with Boater's World (Southcenter Westfield). They carry a small self-priming dipstick pump which attaches to a cordless drill. Simply slide the thin tube into the dipstick sheath until it hits the crankcase. The other side of the small pump is a garden hose size tube, which can go into a 2.5 or 5 gal gasoline canister to collect the engine oil. Takes about 2 minutes to pump the oil out. <http://www.boatersworld.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?storeId=100 51&catalogId=10051&langId=-1&productId=715393> I've been using the dipstick oil change method for five years on all my cars. I first used a hand pump (also from a marine store), then got a TopSider floor model (built in hand pump fitted to the top neck of a 5 gal. metal floor canister). The manual pumps are good, but they get to be very tiring on the hand due to the heavy suction of the thin tube extracting the oil. For peace of mind, you can check out the oil drain plug to see how well the bottom sludge removed after the first couple of dipstick oil changes. But as I drive the car 30 minutes immediately before an oil change, I've not seen any sludge drip down that the dipstick tube failed to get. At least, nothing that would have drained out the bottom using a pan under the car in the first place. Another plus to a dipstick oil change is that your oil pan drainplug stays untouched. For some reason, I always feel I have to check and recheck and check again to make sure the drainplug was seated tight and didn't start dripping oil after the washer was replaced. Regards, Jeff Redmond > Certainly the drain plug which has a special fitting for vacuum oil > changing seems to satisfy my protests, and is very slick. I wonder how [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Marty >>>>>> You can test this by using suction first and taking the plug off >>>>>> then. I have done this with my previous Benz (190E 2,6) some 15 [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > the drain plug or deal with draining the oil into a pan and pouring it > into a bottle etc. is very appealing. What's the difference you see in using dipstick pipe to empty the pan compared to connecting an other pipe to the draining plug and using it? Reg: Harri > What's the difference you see in using dipstick pipe to empty the pan > compared to connecting an other pipe to the draining plug and using it? 9.8 m/s per second > > What's the difference you see in using dipstick pipe to > empty the pan > > compared to connecting an other pipe to the draining plug > and using it? > > 9.8 m/s per second both ways leave a little,,,,,,read it on the internet,,,,,was wondering if maybe l shoud put a magnet on the drain plug to get any little bits of metal that might be danceing around in the oil pan ??? my .02 bcurtis 300sd 284,000 300sd 142,000 > Not a good idea. The primary thing you want get out of the system is > any crud or bits that are sitting at the bottom. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Marty This is actually incorrect. If you look at the oil pan in cross section, there is a lip at the point of the gravity drain plug. This leaves a slight amount of oil in the bottom of the pan. The suction method removes MORE oil than by gravity. Most MB dealerships use the suction method and it's approved by Daimler Benz. >> Not a good idea. The primary thing you want get out of the system is >> any crud or bits that are sitting at the bottom. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > amount of oil in the bottom of the pan. The suction method removes > MORE oil than by gravity. That's what I tryed to tell too but I was not straight enough with the words. > Most MB dealerships use the suction method and it's > approved by Daimler Benz. If suction is made using the dip stick tube without any tiny plastic tube in it and the oil is warm, it takes 1-2 minutes and all oil is out. Reg: Harri |
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