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Car Forum / Mercedes-Benz Cars / February 2005

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Can I mix synthetic with conventional oil?

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dynamorph@hotmail.com - 20 Feb 2005 19:47 GMT
I normally use synthetic (AGIP Sint) oil in my
86 300 SDL. Since the oil light came on and I have
a 3 hour drive to do, can I add a quart of 15W-40
diesel oil until I can have the oil changed? Thanks,

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Jeff
Huw - 20 Feb 2005 19:49 GMT
>I normally use synthetic (AGIP Sint) oil in my
> 86 300 SDL. Since the oil light came on and I have
> a 3 hour drive to do, can I add a quart of 15W-40
> diesel oil until I can have the oil changed? Thanks,

Yes, no problem.

Huw
Richard Sexton - 20 Feb 2005 19:51 GMT
>I normally use synthetic (AGIP Sint) oil in my
>86 300 SDL. Since the oil light came on and I have
>a 3 hour drive to do, can I add a quart of 15W-40

Absolutely. What do you think "semi-syntheitc" oils are?

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iNet - 20 Feb 2005 20:36 GMT
>>I normally use synthetic (AGIP Sint) oil in my
>>86 300 SDL. Since the oil light came on and I have
>>a 3 hour drive to do, can I add a quart of 15W-40
>
> Absolutely. What do you think "semi-syntheitc" oils are?

You guys are nuts -

Most synthetic oils have few if any detergents in them.  If he has been
using non-detergent oils and now switches to conventional oil, that should
be fun
Huw - 20 Feb 2005 20:45 GMT
>>>I normally use synthetic (AGIP Sint) oil in my
>>>86 300 SDL. Since the oil light came on and I have
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> using non-detergent oils and now switches to conventional oil, that should
> be fun

I think, no, I know that you do not know what you are talking about. If an
oil meets API or better standards then it has a specified minimum
detergency. In a diesel engine of that age then anything with API CE or
better will be more than adequate whether it is mineral or synthetic. Any
petrol engine built before '98 will be great with API SL and both diesel and
petrol engines built since then need high detergent synthetic oil that meets
mb229.1 standards.

Huw
Paul Valois - 20 Feb 2005 22:42 GMT
I called Mobil (1-800-ASK-MOBIL) and a seemingly well-informed fellow
named Leo there said that:

1. Synthetics can be mixed with conventional oils of the SAME API
specification. NO problem at all.

2. Synthetics will be consumed faster if an engine has a blow-by problem
or a leak because synthetics flow easier.  However, there is no evidence
to support the urban legend that synthetics will cause new leaks or make
existing leaks worse.

3. Synthetics flow better, flow more evenly with temperature, resist
burning better, and maintain their viscosity MUCH better than
conventional oils do.

4. There is no advantage to running heavier weight than necessary.
Temperature is the ONLY significant factor in choosing a weight.  Severe
loading (racing, off-road use, towing) is only a factor because of the
increased internal temperature caused by the loading.  Using too heavy a
weight won't protect parts better but it will reduce mileage.

I am a believer in synthetics for the following reasons from my own
personal experience:

1. I filled two '92 Ford Festivas, and '92  and a '95 Escort from new
with Mobil 1 syntehtic and got more than 200,000 miles out of all
engines, while changing the oil only every 10,000 miles.  In fact, the
engines on all four were running strong when I got rid of the cars.

2. I filled my '77 Dodge 440 Motorhome (16000 lbs empty weight) with
Mobil 1 and drove it for nearly 3 miles up STEEP hills in the Badlands
National Park with NO water after dropping a lower radiator hose before
reaching a pull off in 95 degree heat.  I melted an exhaust manifold,
and roasted the transmission fluid,  but the oil looked like new. I
drove it from there to Vancouver, down to San Francisco and back to the
East Coast without a problem. I am convinced that the oil saved the
engine. No question about it my mind.  A Good Sam volunteer, who is a
bus mechanic for the Salt Lake school system, couldn't believe it when
he helped me check it in Wall, South Dakota.

I can confirm that my motorhome burned (and leaked) synthetics about
three to four times faster than conventional oil.  I evetually switched
to Wal-Mart brand synthetic to save money.

I'm a believer in synthetics. I don't care if I burn a quart a tank.
I'm still filling my new (to me) 300 SD with synthetic. Heck even at
$2.50 every 500 miles the extra cost is only a $500 per 100,000 miles,
or about $150 a year the way I drive.

> I normally use synthetic (AGIP Sint) oil in my
> 86 300 SDL. Since the oil light came on and I have
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> --
> Jeff
Martin Joseph - 21 Feb 2005 08:49 GMT
>  I filled two '92 Ford Festivas, and '92  and a '95 Escort from new
> with Mobil 1 syntehtic and got more than 200,000 miles out of all
> engines, while changing the oil only every 10,000 miles.

I believe the recommended change interval is 25,000 with a new filter
and a top off every 5000.

I largely agree with Paul, vis-a-vis synthetics.  They are superior in
many ways.  He didn't mention there very significant advantages in cold
climates.
Dori A Schmetterling - 22 Feb 2005 00:05 GMT
No. 3 sums it up nicely.  Much slower degradation (which gives rise to what
was said).

DAS

For direct contact replace nospam with schmetterling
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>I called Mobil (1-800-ASK-MOBIL) and a seemingly well-informed fellow named
>Leo there said that:
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> increased internal temperature caused by the loading.  Using too heavy a
> weight won't protect parts better but it will reduce mileage.
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