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Car Forum / Mercedes-Benz Cars / March 2005

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E Class safest in the USA

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greek_philosophizer - 15 Mar 2005 19:40 GMT
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A private U.S. highway safety group has analyzed crash test data and
found the vehicle with the safest design is the Mercedes E-Class sedan.

The report by the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety concluded the
most unsafe vehicle is the two-door Chevrolet Blazer, the New York
Times said Tuesday.

The institute reached its conclusions about the Mercedes, Blazer and
197 other relatively popular vehicles by studying driver death rates of
1999 to 2002 model cars and trucks from 2000 to 2003.

Among four-door midsize cars, the Volkswagen Passat performed best,
with an average of 16 driver deaths per million registered vehicles
annually, but the Chrysler Sebring had 126 driver deaths.

Among midsize sport utility vehicles with four-wheel drive, the Toyota
4Runner had 12 deaths per million registered vehicles annually,
compared with 134 for the two-door Ford Explorer.

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Martin Joseph - 15 Mar 2005 20:08 GMT
> ed its conclusions about the Mercedes, Blazer and
> 197 other relatively popular vehicles by studying driver death rates of
> 1999 to 2002 model cars and trucks from 2000 to 2003.

So I guess this really isn't about vehicle safety per se.  The death
rate would also reflect the habits of the drivers of vehicles.  People
who own a new e class are probably older in general and thus have
learned that it is bad to bump into things...
Rodney T. Grill - 15 Mar 2005 21:41 GMT
>> ed its conclusions about the Mercedes, Blazer and
>> 197 other relatively popular vehicles by studying driver death rates
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> who own a new e class are probably older in general and thus have
> learned that it is bad to bump into things...

Yes, and keep in mind that that's how insurance rates for a particular
vehicle are determined.  It's why the insurance on a $20K Mitsubishi Eclipse
is more than on a $60K E500,

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Harri Markkula - 15 Mar 2005 22:08 GMT
>> ed its conclusions about the Mercedes, Blazer and
>> 197 other relatively popular vehicles by studying driver death rates
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> who own a new e class are probably older in general and thus have
> learned that it is bad to bump into things...

How do safety tests take account vehicle weight?

If a 1500 kg Mercedes E sedan does hit some 1000 kg japanese tiny car it
is quite different from testing both cars by driving them to a concrete
wall.

Reg:    Harri
Paul Wylie - 16 Mar 2005 01:27 GMT
> How do safety tests take account vehicle weight?

> If a 1500 kg Mercedes E sedan does hit some 1000 kg japanese tiny car it
> is quite different from testing both cars by driving them to a concrete
> wall.

The US Insurance Institute for Highway Safety tests cars in typical and
worst-case collision scenarios.  I believe they were one of the first
organizations to rate cars with offset crashes (reflecting real-world
collisions).  They also have upgraded their side-impact tests to reflect
how well cars withstand side impacts from large SUVs.  Vehicles that
handily passed the previous tests designed to simulate impacts from other
passenger cars no longer did so well in the revised test.

Typical midsized SUVs mass close to 2000kg and large ones can mass 3000kg.

--Paul
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Dori A Schmetterling - 16 Mar 2005 12:17 GMT
Some years ago I saw a lab crash-test report with seven or eight
similarly-sized cars tested, including BMW 520, Merc 200 and Volvo.  BMW and
Merc were about equal (can't remember which came tops), followed by Volvo.
The Opel/GM and Japanese cars came way lower.

However, the results were, of course, specific to the models tested and have
little bearing on current cars.  Merc still scores well in lab crash tests.
Don't know about 'real-world' performance.

We're talking injury to occupants here, not cost of repair/replacement,
which is what the insurance companies need to know.

DAS

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>> How do safety tests take account vehicle weight?
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> --Paul
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Roland Franzius - 16 Mar 2005 13:30 GMT
greek_philosophizer schrieb:
> http://feeds.bignewsnetwork.com/?sid=c02020b7fd40a5fa
>
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> 4Runner had 12 deaths per million registered vehicles annually,
> compared with 134 for the two-door Ford Explorer.

Are you sure that the outcome is different if the price of drivers
wristwatch or house were the stochastic variable?

This would be a convincing test if applied to an ensemble of crashes or
at least if the measure was driver*miles.

Of course as I know by experience there is an effect of the MB engine to
drivers countenance and mental balance:-)

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Bobb - 19 Mar 2005 22:47 GMT
> greek_philosophizer schrieb:
>
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> This would be a convincing test if applied to an ensemble of crashes or
> at least if the measure was driver*miles.

It is not clear what 'test' you mean.  This data was gleaned from accident
statistics that occured in the real world.  They even 'cleaned' the data by
balancing the number of male to female drivers (female between 25 to 64 are much
safer drivers and they like BMW Minis....) in the different models.  However
they did not otherwise tweak the data.

One wonders where all the other MB wanabes came (Lexus etc) came in.  Where was
the S class in the standing?  If one follows the argument that MB drivers are
older and that is why E class came out on top, then what does one say about S
class crivers?  Are they mostly pop stars or husband killers (remember the
parking lot incident?)
 
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