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Car Forum / Mercedes-Benz Cars / March 2005

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Unreliable German Cars

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Robert Wright - 16 Mar 2005 00:27 GMT
I was only thinking the other day how many people I know who have
experienced reliability problems with german cars. Once celebrated for their
quality of manufacture, BMWs and Volkwagens seem to break down more often
than most, and the repairs are expensive.

We have a Mercedes A Class, which is ideal for driving around London. We use
it very little. After more than 3 years the clock shows 17,000 miles. It is
well specified, with leather seats, air cooling, and a 1900cc engine. The
handling is not too good, but otherwise it is a comfortable car to drive. It
is the long wheelbase model, so there is a lot of legroom in the back.

On Sunday I drobe to Winchmore Hill to pick up my 90 year old mother, and
take her to look at a retirement apartment in Purley. All was well until the
car died in Earl's Court Road. Thank you to the two black guys who pushed us
to a side street without being asked. I am grateful to you for your prompt
assistance.

My mother and my wife continued their journey in a taxi, leaving me to wait
3 hours for the RAC, who towed the car to Mercedes After-Sales by Wandsworth
Bridge South.

On Monday morning at 7.30 Vicky presented herself to the garage - another
taxi fare. Later in the day, she was told the car would cost ?600 to repair.
That was the bad news. The even worse news was the garage would not even
consider ordering the part until she returned in person with the vehicle
registration document and a photo ID. That would be two more taxi journeys
at ?16 each way.

Now you might be cross that a spare part cost ?400. And you might be cross
that this part failed after only 17,000 miles. But you might be even crosser
that Mercedes seemed so intransigent.

One might understand their reluctance to order an expensive part with no
guarantee we would pay - except that they had our car in their possession.

One might also understand the security aspect. After all, anyone might take
our car and present it to the garage for repair. Except that they would have
to pay ?600 to get it back again, and the car was originally bought from
Mercedes Chelsea and was still on their database under our name and address.
Oh yes - and Vicky had presented herself in person on Monday morning.

All very strange - but even the General Manager said he had no authority to
make any exceptions. As a concession, he did agree to 'break the rules' if
we faxed a copy of my wife's passport to him and a copy of the registration
document.

Now I used to work for John Lewis as a General Manager, and it was well
known by everyone that the General Manager was the one who would do his best
to satisfy a customer regardless of what rules might normally apply in
general. After all, for the sake of a relatively small amount of money, I
could prevent people writing all this stuff on the Net (as I am doing right
now) or telling all their friends over dinner how badly they had been
treated.

Goodwill expenditure, as it was called, could settle disputes very quickly
and turn wrath into something entirely more positive. This is an example
many firms would do well to heed.

Including Mercedes Chelsea.
T.G. Lambach - 16 Mar 2005 03:04 GMT
After only three years and 17K miles this car is out of warranty?

With service (read "attitude") like this I'd have the car towed from
this shop to an independent shop or other M-B dealer for the charge
couldn't be more than what's being ransomed.

There was just a post about a new UK M-B superdealer (in Brooklands?).
Fewer facilities means more "attitude" so perhaps it's time to try
another brand's ownership experience.
Dori A Schmetterling - 16 Mar 2005 12:13 GMT
As a general point, the car I bought (in 2001) from a dealer in Germany came
with a one-year manufacturer's warranty.  I learned later that cars bought
in the UK had a further two years' dealer's warranty added on.

I can't recollect if there was an extension by German dealers as I was
driving the car out of Germany anyway.  Still, I had an issue with the
mobile phone cradle more than a year into ownership.  (My new phone did not
fit anymore.)  The German dealer found a route to do a free upgrade to the
new cradle and software under the guarantee and I found an excuse to drive
over... (This could not be honoured in the UK.) (That's customer service...)

DAS

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> After only three years and 17K miles this car is out of warranty?
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Roland Franzius - 16 Mar 2005 08:05 GMT
Robert Wright schrieb:
> I was only thinking the other day how many people I know who have
> experienced reliability problems with german cars. Once celebrated for their
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>
> Including Mercedes Chelsea.

Isnt there a EU wide 4 years mobility warranty by MB. Story appears like
a nightmare. Ask the head office London for help and tell them you are
spreading the story via usenet.

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Juergen . - 16 Mar 2005 09:27 GMT
> Isnt there a EU wide 4 years mobility warranty by MB. Story appears like
> a nightmare. Ask the head office London for help and tell them you are
> spreading the story via usenet.

They will have no clue what _usenet_ is - so
make it _...spreading the story via internet._

Juergen
Richard Sexton - 16 Mar 2005 17:51 GMT
>> Isnt there a EU wide 4 years mobility warranty by MB. Story appears like
>> a nightmare. Ask the head office London for help and tell them you are
>> spreading the story via usenet.
>
>They will have no clue what _usenet_ is - so
>make it _...spreading the story via internet._

Tell them "google groups" then :-)

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Huw - 16 Mar 2005 13:35 GMT
>I was only thinking the other day how many people I know who have
>experienced reliability problems with german cars. Once celebrated for
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> One might understand their reluctance to order an expensive part with no
> guarantee we would pay - except that they had our car in their possession.

Car dealers are a shower everywhere. If this was a truck or tractor a
service van would have been dispatched to repair it on the spot and it would
be odds on that the part would be in stock for instant fitting. Failing the
part being in stock it would be ordered for next morning delivery on a
scheme called VOR. If too many orders for parts are VOR then the dealer
would lose a significant discount on all parts so there is a big incentive
on these dealers to hold stock.
The vehicle would be back on the road quickly with a minimum of
inconvenience and if the customer did not have cash to pay, then he would be
invoiced for payment within 28 days, no quibble. Labour and parts prices
would also be significantly lower in most cases.
So what is the car dealers excuse for not matching this service?

Huw
 
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