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Car Forum / Mercedes-Benz Cars / March 2005

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85 300SD trans starter lockout is bad, what to do?

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Jimbo - 23 Mar 2005 22:49 GMT
   The starter relay shorted out  recently, and I replaced the starter with
a rebuilt one. I couldn't get the replacement to energize and start car....
I found it still did not work because there was no starter control power
reaching the the rear terminal on that terminal strip (C105) at the right
wheel well.   The rear terminal goes direct to the starter relay.  I figured
that repeated attempts to start car with shorted starter relay had fried the
tranny starter lockout switch.  So to get the car going, I ran a new wire
all the way from the ignition switch to  the starter control terminal at
C105.  This of course works, but the car can start in drive.
  Well, I finally got underneath and checked the starter lockout contacts
at the tranny with a meter. I have good power going in on violet/ white from
the ignition switch, but no power going out on violet (temporarily removed
my "jumper" of course)....and the car is in PARK. So my hunch was right, the
tranny switch is permanently opened.  Nothing wrong with the connector.  I
might get a couple of more years use out of the car....and  there appears to
be no way to fix the internal switch except by removing and repairing the
tranny, which is out of the question. I usually drive the car, and can
probably remember to always have it in Park...but my wife might need to
drive it someday, and hit something when it lurches forward because she
didn't put it in Park. I am going to have to rig up something, I
guess....maybe a microswitch positioned so that the tranny shifter linkage
opens the switch when not in park?
Rodney T. Grill - 23 Mar 2005 23:07 GMT
> I am going to have to rig up something, I
> guess....maybe a microswitch positioned so that the tranny shifter
> linkage opens the switch when not in park?

How about a relay on the brake light switch so it can only be started if
your foot is on the brake?  That might be easier than fooling with the
shifter mechanism.

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Karl - 24 Mar 2005 04:07 GMT
Huh?  What 'internal switch'?  The neutral switch bolts on the side of the trans. It is replaceable
by itself.
Remove the 10mm headed bolt that goes thru the shift linkage on the out side of the switch. Slide
the shift are off the trans. Make SURE the dogs are not broken off that fit into the neutral switch
to rotate it. If one or both break off, the switch appears bad when it really isn't! The lever piece
is available separate.

>     The starter relay shorted out  recently, and I replaced the starter with
> a rebuilt one. I couldn't get the replacement to energize and start car....
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> guess....maybe a microswitch positioned so that the tranny shifter linkage
> opens the switch when not in park?
Jimbo - 24 Mar 2005 15:42 GMT
Thanks Karl!  Didn't look like something replaceable, particularly as there
only around an inch clearance between it and the sub-frame. Thanks again!
> Huh?  What 'internal switch'?  The neutral switch bolts on the side of the trans. It is replaceable
> by itself.
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> > guess....maybe a microswitch positioned so that the tranny shifter linkage
> > opens the switch when not in park?
Jimbo - 24 Mar 2005 16:00 GMT
Karl, is that something you can get from  from a parts supplier like
THEBENZBINS.COM,  or do you have to get it from a Mercedes dealer?
> Huh?  What 'internal switch'?  The neutral switch bolts on the side of the trans. It is replaceable
> by itself.
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> > guess....maybe a microswitch positioned so that the tranny shifter linkage
> > opens the switch when not in park?
Wan-ning Tan - 26 Mar 2005 06:28 GMT
All online parts stores have it.

There is not much space but is still workable.  The switch is held by 2
10mm bolts.  Remove the bottom one and loose the top one.  Turn the
switch forward (or backward, I don't remember) to remove.  Get the
replacement part first then you can figure what I mean.  It's less than
30 minutes if you know what to do.

You are lucky this is W126.  W201 (I have a 190D) has even smaller space!

> Karl, is that something you can get from  from a parts supplier like
> THEBENZBINS.COM,  or do you have to get it from a Mercedes dealer?
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>
>>>opens the switch when not in park?
 
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