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Car Forum / Mercedes-Benz Cars / April 2005

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92 300E oil pressure ?

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Henry Kolesnik - 29 Mar 2005 23:37 GMT
I just came back from a Nissan dealer who has a beautiful black 92 300E with
a near perfect body with a new black paint job and the  interior is way
above average.  Priced at $5000.00 I thought it was worth taking for a
drive.  The oil pressure came up and I took off, turned on the AC, it
worked, so did the cruise and radio and then I looked at the oil pressure it
was down below 1 bar, and later zero.  The salesman was with me and didn't
seem to care, said it was probably the sender.  The temp didn't go up and
oil level was at spec.  Do the oil pressure sending units tend to fail?
The car rode fine except it was real sensitive to any movement of the
steering wheel, like it was amplified.  I've never experienced that before,
any ideas?  Oh the car has 170,000 mi.
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Hank WD5JFR

Tiger - 30 Mar 2005 03:14 GMT
I definitely would be worried about the oil pressure... need to check it
out.

As for steering... It is probably the wheel alignment that needs to be done.
r parris - 31 Mar 2005 17:11 GMT
Did the pressure drop at idle, (standing still) or while moving?
Standing still normal ......while moving, not normal!
T.G. Lambach - 30 Mar 2005 03:15 GMT
Hank,

This car is a false bargain.

Steering is overly sensitive because the alignment isn't set correctly -
Why?

Car was just repainted - Why?

Because the car was wrecked, fixed and repainted.

The oil pressure is probably the least of its problems.

Tom
Henry Kolesnik - 30 Mar 2005 04:33 GMT
In my younger days I customized a couple of cars and did lots of body work
with lead and very little bondo.  I could find none evidence of any crash
repairs nor one door ding or any sign of any being removed.  Where is the
oil sender located on the engine?

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Hank WD5JFR

> Hank,
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> Tom
T.G. Lambach - 30 Mar 2005 04:57 GMT
OK, you're satisfied that the car wasn't wrecked.
Then what accounts for the steering? Overinflated tires?

With respect to the oil pressure, if it were a diesel I'd look at the
base of the oil filter. Gas is probably similar.
Martin Joseph - 30 Mar 2005 18:58 GMT
> I just came back from a Nissan dealer who has a beautiful black 92 300E
> with a near perfect body with a new black paint job and the  interior
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> steering wheel, like it was amplified.  I've never experienced that
> before, any ideas?  Oh the car has 170,000 mi.

The fact that it did come up when the car is cold is worrying...

Makes me wonder if the car might really have poor oil pressure...  Did
the engine sound OK when it was HOT?

Steering is probably an alignment issue.  Look carefully for any body
panel replacement. You could also try getting them to align it...

Marty
Peter W Peternouschek - 30 Mar 2005 19:38 GMT
I have a similar issue with a 92 190E 2.6.  Oil pressure reads 0
occasionally at idle and slighlty under 1 bar under similar conditions. The
Owner's manual for the 190E states that oil pressure at idle may drop to 4.4
psi (0.3 bar) if the engine is at operating temperature. Pressure must rise
immediately upon acceleration.
I purchased a new sender but have not had time to install it. I have also
been told it could be a defective gauge. I really don't know how accurate
the senders/gauges are at their low pressure readings.
Apparently it is not a problem. The car now has 135k miles,
Good Luck in negotiating

Peter

> I just came back from a Nissan dealer who has a beautiful black 92 300E with
> a near perfect body with a new black paint job and the  interior is way
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> 73
> Hank WD5JFR
Martin Joseph - 30 Mar 2005 20:40 GMT
> I have a similar issue with a 92 190E 2.6.  Oil pressure reads 0
> occasionally at idle and slighlty under 1 bar under similar conditions. The
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> Apparently it is not a problem. The car now has 135k miles,
> Good Luck in negotiating
Just because it's not a problem for you doesn't mean his potential car
is all right!

Be careful!  Low oil pressure is an indication of serious internal
engine problems (like warn main bearings).
Guenter Scholz - 01 Apr 2005 14:09 GMT
The obvious answer really is that the filter is crap.  there is a bypass
that is spring loaded.  the filter could be really really old... but that
probably indicates a problem also.

cheers, guenter
Henry Kolesnik - 01 Apr 2005 15:03 GMT
The filter was brand new as the car just had an oil change and the oil was
just getting dirty.  but as I said in a previous post it was the sending
unit.

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Hank WD5JFR

> The obvious answer really is that the filter is crap.  there is a bypass
> that is spring loaded.  the filter could be really really old... but that
> probably indicates a problem also.
>
> cheers, guenter
Henry Kolesnik - 01 Apr 2005 01:53 GMT
FYI, thanks for all the help and diversions.  So here are the facts.
This morning I went to see the car again.  It was about 50F and the car
started OK with about 1.5 bar oil pressure.  After I drove about 3 miles it
dropped to zero and stayed there.  I had a release from the dealer against
any liability and drove about 25 miles on freeways at 70, oil press stayed
at zero  and the temp never touched 100F with the AC, by this time it was
65F but very warm inside, black paint eh.
I took it to my indy who drove it, looked and  couldn't find anything
obvious, so I took it to my front end shop.  It needs struts and a steering
stabilizer, $600 to $800.
Later I went back to the indy and for $50.00 he took the sensor out and
connected an oil pressure gauge. (Take the air cleaner off, remove the oil
filter and use a 17mm IIRC wrench to remove the sensor)  It had about 6o psi
at 2000 rpm and 15 at idle so it has a bad sensor or gauge.  Also there's an
oil leak at the timing chain cover that he estimates will cost $400.00 to
repair.
I went back to the deeler and were negotiating.
Car drives, great, quite, smooth ride, good acceleration, but a little jerky
on the shift sometime.  Indy says this is age and slipping.  Today was
cloudy and I could see a few painted over door dings that I didn't spot in
the bright sunshine of the other day.  For me I can see defects in black
paint better on cloudy days than sunny.

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Hank WD5JFR

>I just came back from a Nissan dealer who has a beautiful black 92 300E
>with a near perfect body with a new black paint job and the  interior is
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> steering wheel, like it was amplified.  I've never experienced that
> before, any ideas?  Oh the car has 170,000 mi.
pool man - 01 Apr 2005 03:10 GMT
it took that long to have it inspected?

owning an MB is like having a cold
its a bitch o get rid of once you have one.

i my self would look for another and get a CAR FAX report

they will make more.

the case, minus a few cans!
 
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