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Car Forum / Mercedes-Benz Cars / May 2005

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Tyre pressure monitors on two sets of tyres

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Me - 06 May 2005 14:31 GMT
Hi, my W211 MB has the tyre pressure monitor feature. Some time ago I
had a new set of tyres changed to the car (changed from winter tyres to
summer tyres). New sensors were installed on the new set of tyres. Now
when the system is initialised according to the advice on the user
manual, the car responds after a while “Visit Workshop”.

The car did visit an official workshop but the local one really does not
know too much of “this complicated” features. They told their service
tools indicating that the car should be driven 35 kilometres to get
calibrated. However, after a few kilometres, the car computer again asks
to visit workshop.

Would anybody be aware how a second set of tyres should really be
installed on a car with RDC. Specifically, is the battery on the sensors
connected “off the self” or should something be done with the sensors
before installation to the wheels (I’m thinking of an insulator that
often disconnects the battery when the device is “on the shelf”).

Is there a need to initialise the car computer to recognise a new set of
sensors? If so, I assume the car can accept at least 8 sensors as it
should be possible to change from winter tyres to summer tyres without a
workshop visit. The sensors were installed by a tyre dealer, if they
have an individual code that needs to be told to for the car computer,
then I guess the tyres need to be uninstalled to find this information
from each sensor (I never saw those sensors as my local, official
workshop gave them directly to the tyre dealer?

I believe I either have to visit another workshop (I know one but I
would need to drive an extra 100 km) or need to have some guidance from
the news group for the local workshop, if there is an easy way to make
them learn.

Thanks for any advice, a W211 CDI driver.
Martin Joseph - 06 May 2005 17:18 GMT
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I believe I either have to visit another workshop (I know one but I
would need to drive an extra 100 km) or need to have some guidance from
the news group for the local workshop, if there is an easy way to make
them learn.

> Thanks for any advice, a W211 CDI driver.

Huh,  what do the sensors look like and where are they installed?  I am
going to guess (this is completely without any info or experience),
that the sensors were installed wrong when the tires where changed?

Cool feature though.
Marty
Me - 06 May 2005 18:18 GMT
> <snip>
> I believe I either have to visit another workshop (I know one but I
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> Cool feature though.
> Marty

Hi, haven't seen the sensors myself but the sensors are attached to the
tyre valves, should look like this:
http://www.jesmb.de/technik.htm
- Technik, RDK. This one is not from W211 but the sensor should be very
similar.

I'm afraid the sensors would need to be activated somehow, just a guess
though.

OP
pool man - 07 May 2005 02:51 GMT
let me guess at this.

i bet the senders send a single if the see a difference in pressure.

so once you heat up the tires<tyres> then you set the system and it sets
them to read a difference in pressure not the actual pressure.

i could be way off base here ?

the case, minus a few cans!
Vlad - 08 May 2005 01:17 GMT
>let me guess at this.
>
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>
>the case, minus a few cans!

Toyota apparently measures the r.p.m. difference between the tires and
sends an alarm if the difference is constant. The wheel with less air
rotates more.
I don't know the result if the car runs 300 miles on Daytona.

Vlad
Me - 08 May 2005 06:57 GMT
>>let me guess at this.
>>
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> Vlad
MB seems to use Beru equipment, the true tyre pressure can be measured
for each tyre. The system should be "self learning" for the target tyer
pressure and for new sensors:
http://www.beru.com/english/produkte/tss.php

I believe the original problem is known now (not solved until I get the
correct parts and tyres uninstalled and reinstalled). I asked the guy
who delivered the sensors to the tyre dealer if they were of the correct
colour (US or Euro frequency), turned out "no colour at all", no
electronic sensor at all, just the valve part!

The local official MB dealer delivered only the valves, even if they new
the parts were for a new set tyres. Makes three stupid guys, the MB
spare parts guy of course, the person installing the tyres (how come one
would not recognise that something is missing if you look at the sensor
construction, they have the screw that is supposed to hold the
electronic unit and the valve and they don't realise anything missing)
and the third one is myself because one should know that things should
be looked after, especially if the issue is anything else than very
standard parts that the MB dealer is familiar with.

OP
 
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