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Car Forum / Mercedes-Benz Cars / May 2005

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190e 2.6 running hot a idle......is it a waterpump issue?

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Peter W Peternouschek - 26 May 2005 07:33 GMT
Since the Temperature here is now around 80-85 I notice that the indicated
temperatue creeps up whenever the car is subjected to long periods of idling
at traffic lights with the AC on. Taking it out of gear and revving it up
slightly to about 1200 rpm brings the temperature down right away untill the
high speed fan cuts off. Both fans appears to be coming on as they should. I
m thinking that the water pump might be worn and not putting out much flow
at the low rpm. Or could the viscous fan clutch be the culprit ?
Any ideas?
Thanks
Peter
Martin Joseph - 26 May 2005 17:53 GMT
> Since the Temperature here is now around 80-85 I notice that the indicated
> temperatue creeps up whenever the car is subjected to long periods of idling
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> at the low rpm. Or could the viscous fan clutch be the culprit ?
> Any ideas?

If it doesn't go above 110c then it's ok.  That is the temperature at
which the crank fan should kick in and stop the climb of the
temperature.

It is also possible that the pump isn't fully efficient,  but in my
1986 190e, in the temperatures you describe,  with a one year old water
pump,  the temp will go higher then the normal 80c while idling.

Marty
Peter W Peternouschek - 26 May 2005 18:34 GMT
The temperature will creep up to about 120 C untill I get nervous and put it
in neutral and rev it up to about 1200 rpm.  The high speed fan mode cuts in
about 105C but the temperature still creeps up.
Peter

> > Since the Temperature here is now around 80-85 I notice that the indicated
> > temperatue creeps up whenever the car is subjected to long periods of idling
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>
> Marty
Martin Joseph - 26 May 2005 20:31 GMT
> The temperature will creep up to about 120 C untill I get nervous and put it
> in neutral and rev it up to about 1200 rpm.  The high speed fan mode cuts in
> about 105C but the temperature still creeps up.

Ok,  that's bad. Some thoughts

1) Verify Proper coolant level
2) Perhaps the thermostat isn't coming fully open?
3) Is the coolant recent?
4) Radiator could be partially blocked, flush and fill.

When the Fan comes on the temp should stop climbing and in my car
bounces from 110c to about 105.

I have read about some waterpumps that have damaged impeller "fins",  
but that seems unlikely.

I think that the thermostat is the logical place to start assuming the
coolant is new and full.

it's quite normal for reving the engine to increase the cooling, and it
doesn't indicate anything in itself.

Let us know what you find.
marty
Tiger - 27 May 2005 04:45 GMT
Also clean your radiator fins with air or water.
Jens - 27 May 2005 14:09 GMT
Radiator fins may be corroded, and the radiator cooling capacity
therefor reduced.

I had that problem, and replacing the radiator immediately solved the
problem.

(actually, I have had it on two cars)
CaptainW116 - 28 May 2005 12:45 GMT
If all these suggestions do not cure your problem,
use a vacumm gauge ,and see if you may have a
head gasket on its way out.Exhaust sweet smelling? As a reminder,when
the engine runs hot,
so does your transmission.Radiator hot,so is
transmission fluid! My advice is address the problem before you have
bigger and more costly
repairs!
 
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