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How to kill the Mercedes Benz and the Jews thread!
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CaptainW116 - 16 Jul 2005 09:51 GMT Okay,for those of you tired of your Email filling up with this thread,I cross posted to the same groups.What do you say we send them the message? Heres what I think they will enjoy as they usually end in long threads.
1) What is the best motor oil and why? 2) If its 20 deg F. which grade of oil should I use? 3) What are the possible reasons for my car to fail an emissions test? 4) What tires would you recommend? 5) Conventional oil or synthetic,which is better? 6) What would cause my door locks to fail all of a sudden? 7) What is the "sexiest" Mercedes ever built and why? 8) W201 versus W124, which is better? 9) What are your favorite toppings on a pizza? 10)Has your luck with women improved during Mercedes ownership?
Wolf J. Flywheel - 16 Jul 2005 09:59 GMT > Okay,for those of you tired of your Email filling up with this thread,I > cross posted to the same groups.What do you say we send them the [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > 9) What are your favorite toppings on a pizza? > 10)Has your luck with women improved during Mercedes ownership? I think your first mistake was to subscribe to the group by email. I recommend you change your subscription to no email, and then mark the thread to be ignored.
Guenter Scholz - 16 Jul 2005 12:31 GMT >1) What is the best motor oil and why? well, FYI, on my 89 300e I was resigned to small leaks, nothing big, just annoying. I switched to mobile1 because reading the group I assumed it would help the engine last longer. The leaks didn't change much but possibly got a bit worse... can't really say for sure. Long story short,, I went back to ordinary oil, but this time 20/50 rather than the 10/40 of before and voila.... no more leaks. Simply going to the somewhat more viscous oil did the trick in quenching my small leaks.
>2) If its 20 deg F. which grade of oil should I use? If your car is older 20/50 all the time for me from now on and here the temps go from -30C to +30C
>3) What are the possible reasons for my car to fail an emissions test? Just finished with that... really. for me it was the EHV (or some such alphabet soup) it's the solenoid controlled valve that emters the fuel into the injectors.... it had a small leak as well causing an annoying gas smell
>4) What tires would you recommend? being cheap, I finally wanted to use my old Pirelli P600 spare that is now 16 years old. There were dire warnings of not to use it under any circumstances because of age. Heck, I thought, these tires were in the spare compartment all the time, no UV so le't try it carefully. I've now put on several hundred km including freeway driving.... no problems, no cracks etc. Anyone want to sell me their old P600 195/15 spare???
>5) Conventional oil or synthetic,which is better? that's easy.... conventional 20/50 on old cars and syn on new ones.
>6) What would cause my door locks to fail all of a sudden? vacuum
>7) What is the "sexiest" Mercedes ever built and why? I guess I probably should say 300SL but I 'really' like my 300E
>8) W201 versus W124, which is better? 124.... hands down.
>9) What are your favorite toppings on a pizza? kitchen sink
>10)Has your luck with women improved during Mercedes ownership? nahh ,,, my wife hates them. Want's a new Toyata rather than me working on older MB's .... new MB is not an option for me :-)
- cheers
Guenter Scholz - 16 Jul 2005 12:49 GMT But you forgot another important topic which I'm now facing since replacing my waterpump.... to use the MB red antifreeze or the local autoparts green liquid..... how to mix? tap water good enough or deionized or possibly distilled water???
any suggestions welcomed
cheers
>Okay,for those of you tired of your Email filling up with this thread,I >cross posted to the same groups.What do you say we send them the [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >9) What are your favorite toppings on a pizza? >10)Has your luck with women improved during Mercedes ownership? Ernie Sparks - 17 Jul 2005 05:33 GMT > But you forgot another important topic which I'm now facing since replacing > my waterpump.... to use the MB red antifreeze or the local autoparts green > liquid..... how to mix? tap water good enough or deionized or possibly > distilled water??? Never use de-ionized water in your system. It takes a rather long explaination but it will eventually do damage to whatever it comes in contact with (hate ending a sentence in a preposition). Normally, plain tap water is fine. If you've flushed everything else out of your cooling system either antifreeze should work fine. Reinstalling what was previously used will work fine if the system is relatively clean. Good luck.
> any suggestions welcomed > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > >9) What are your favorite toppings on a pizza? > >10)Has your luck with women improved during Mercedes ownership? Guenter Scholz - 18 Jul 2005 14:47 GMT many thanks Ernie, much appreciated.
- cheers, guenter
>> But you forgot another important topic which I'm now facing since >replacing [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] >> >9) What are your favorite toppings on a pizza? >> >10)Has your luck with women improved during Mercedes ownership? Thom - 18 Jul 2005 15:59 GMT Just use the new antifreeze. The Yellow stuff that is comatible with everything. Not toxic like the green stuff.
loose cannon - 18 Jul 2005 16:49 GMT > Just use the new antifreeze. The Yellow stuff that is comatible with > everything. Not toxic like the green stuff. Don't you know that the gas used by the Nazi's was yellow? It appears that it is the owners of Mercedes Benz cars that are the anti-semites of today. Burn your cars, you friggin Nazi's!!!!
LC - 18 Jul 2005 17:48 GMT > Don't you know that the gas used by the Nazi's was yellow? It appears > that it is the owners of Mercedes Benz cars that are the anti-semites > of today. Burn your cars, you friggin Nazi's!!!! Just a heads up: This is the same schizophrenic crossposting troll that started this thread:
From: "J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.israel,alt.politics.usa,seattle.politics,alt.auto.mercedes Subject: Mercedes-Benz and the Jews Date: 1 Jul 2005 21:07:45 -0700 Message-ID: 1120277265.284590.163860@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
From: "loose cannon" <looseaint@aol.com> Newsgroups: alt.auto.mercedes,soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.israel,alt.politics.usa,seattle.politics Subject: Re: How to drive a Mercedes Benz and kill the Jews thread! Date: 18 Jul 2005 08:49:38 -0700 Message-ID: <1121701778.785775.69640@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 152.163.100.9 From: "J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> Newsgroups: alt.politics.usa,seattle.politics,alt.abortion,soc.culture.jewish,alt.religion.christian Subject: Roy Moore - Associate Justice SCOTUS ? Date: 16 Jul 2005 19:12:49 -0700 Message-ID: <1121566369.522530.109550@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 152.163.100.9 From: "IBen Getiner" <Lappcatt@AOL.com> Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats.health+behav Subject: Re: Moving Two Cats at Different Times Date: 29 Jun 2005 01:02:25 -0700 Message-ID: <1120032145.229958.100610@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 152.163.100.9
Ignore and/or killfile it, or expect a flood of forgeries, bigotry, and OT nonsense.
LC~ Knows of what he speaks.
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Thom - 18 Jul 2005 17:55 GMT I don't condone people using drugs, but you need a 'lude!
I will get rid of my Mercedes when America can make a car that goes over 240,000 miles on the original engine and transmissions with just fluid changes and minor repairs and still zings to the redline when asked.
greek_philosophizer - 18 Jul 2005 19:35 GMT I condone drugs that are not toxic.
Mercedes factories are located in America therefore America makes mercedes.
I wish they made Sprinters too. They are fairly rare on the lots.
Do they still make "ludes" ?
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greek_philosophizer - 18 Jul 2005 19:36 GMT Oh no, I forgot to change the title on this stupid thread.
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greek_philosophizer - 18 Jul 2005 19:38 GMT Oh no, I forgot to change the title on this stupid thread on my last post.
This is better.
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CaptainW116 - 19 Jul 2005 02:43 GMT > Oh no, I forgot to change the > title on this stupid thread [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > . Just for the record,this is who changed the subject name,not me!
greek_philosophizer - 19 Jul 2005 10:17 GMT Thank you.
I thought it was a bit more upbeat than its predecessor.
mmmmmmmmmmmm, Mercs, beaches and chicks.......
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Dori A Schmetterling - 19 Jul 2005 11:15 GMT Watch out you don't get sand in the works...
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> mmmmmmmmmmmm, > Mercs, beaches and chicks....... > > . greek_philosophizer - 22 Jul 2005 17:08 GMT Thom - 19 Jul 2005 13:44 GMT Actually, I got it ("ludes) from the Starsky and Hutch movie.
True, they makes Merc's in the US, but they didn't make my 89.
CaptainW116 - 18 Jul 2005 23:02 GMT > Don't you know that the gas used by the Nazi's was yellow? It appears > that it is the owners of Mercedes Benz cars that are the anti-semites > of today. Burn your cars, you friggin Nazi's!!!! So what your saying is,anyone that eats a banana,squash,or a lemon is a anti-semite and a Nazi too?
CaptainW116 - 19 Jul 2005 02:10 GMT > Don't you know that the gas used by the Nazi's was yellow? It appears > that it is the owners of Mercedes Benz cars that are the anti-semites > of today. Burn your cars, you friggin Nazi's!!!! School buses are actually in fact little Nazi transports?Huh,go figure!
CaptainW116 - 19 Jul 2005 02:15 GMT > Don't you know that the gas used by the Nazi's was yellow? It appears > that it is the owners of Mercedes Benz cars that are the anti-semites > of today. Burn your cars, you friggin Nazi's!!!! Hey parents out there,boycott Sesame Street because we all know now Big Bird is an anti-semite Nazi!!!!
Martin Joseph - 19 Jul 2005 20:36 GMT >> Don't you know that the gas used by the Nazi's was yellow? It appears >> that it is the owners of Mercedes Benz cars that are the anti-semites >> of today. Burn your cars, you friggin Nazi's!!!! > > Hey parents out there,boycott Sesame Street because we all know now Big > Bird is an anti-semite Nazi!!!! I thought Bert was the evil one!
CaptainW116 - 19 Jul 2005 23:05 GMT > >> Don't you know that the gas used by the Nazi's was yellow? It appears > >> that it is the owners of Mercedes Benz cars that are the anti-semites [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > I thought Bert was the evil one! You can't blame Bert for giving the impression of being evil.If you had to share a room with a spaz like Ernie for about 30 years,then you would feel the same also.Think about it,Ernie obviously has a drug problem and comes in all hopped up on whatever drug and screws with Berts mind and subjects him to sleep deprivation.Poor Berts mind has gotten so fragile that he talks to pigeons and more than likely has a lifetime prescription for valium to deal with Ernies crap!!!But Ernie doesn't stop here,he has the "yellow" rubber ducky and teases Bert by mimicking him talking to it.Perhaps Ernie has some hidden sexual desires for Bert,but we may never know!
The Spanish Inquisition - 16 Jul 2005 14:16 GMT > Okay,for those of you tired of your Email filling up with this thread,I > cross posted to the same groups.What do you say we send them the > message? > Heres what I think they will enjoy as they usually end in long threads. It's fairly useless, I'm afraid. These silly threads are posted by trolls who are the real culprits. Most of the people who react to them don't even realize they're cross posting.
The IETF should change the NNTP spec to make crossposting impossible IMHO.
Ximinez
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øéòéï áøúåïý/Riain Barton - 16 Jul 2005 21:39 GMT Just like you didn't you just cross-posted to soc.culture.jewish?
Now, so did I -- but I put soc.culture.jewish as "Followup-To:"
"The Spanish Inquisition" <ximinez@myown.mailcan.com> wrote in message news:42d90893$0$48941
: It's fairly useless, I'm afraid. These silly threads are posted by : trolls who are the real culprits. Most of the people who react to them [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] : : Ximinez The Spanish Inquisition - 17 Jul 2005 09:20 GMT > Just like you didn't you just cross-posted to soc.culture.jewish? > > Now, so did I -- but I put soc.culture.jewish as "Followup-To:" Yeah, that's another option. All the a.a.mercedes folks could just start firing off inflammatory replies to the offending thread with the follow-ups set to everything *but* a.a.mercedes. With some luck the Jew discussion will follow the newly created subthreads and leave us with our w124's and w123's.
Ximinez
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CaptainW116 - 17 Jul 2005 10:49 GMT Ohms Law There is a mathematical relationship between volts, amps and ohms.Stated in the simplest terms,it takes 1 volt of electrical pressure to push 1 amp of current through 1 ohm of resistance.For an automotive technician,there are two important facts corcerning Ohms law.
First,assuming we keep the voltage the same,as the resistance in a circuit decreases,the current flow in the circuit increases.
Second,again assuming we keep the voltage the same,as the resistance in a circuit increases,the current flow in the circuit decreases.
The second fact of Ohms law is what enables the current-limiting resistors used in computer circuits to prevent overload of the power supplies and voltage regulators.
Kirchhoffs Law Kirchhoffs first law state the algebraic sum of the voltage drops in a series circuit equals source voltage.This principle is self explanatory,thus we will not address it here.
Kirchhoffs second law,also built on the principle of Ohms law,states that as a current passes through resistances in a series circuit,voltage will be lost.
The amount of voltage lost is directly proportional to the resistance.If a circuit is powered by 5 volts,and there are 5 equal resistances in the circuit,there will be 1 Volt lost as the current passes through each resistance.
A slightly more scientific explanation involves the notion of voltage drop per ohm.If the source voltage in a circuit is 5 volts,and the total resistance in that circuit is 5,000 ohms,then the drop in voltage as the current passes through each ohm would be 1 mV (millivolt,or 0.001 volt).Therefore,if the 5,000 ohms consist of a 2,000 ohm resistor,then the voltage drop across each resistor will be as follows: 2,000 ohms X 0.001 volt =a 2 volt drop 1,000 ohms X 0.001 volt =a 1 volt drop 2,000 ohms X 0.001 volt =a 2 volt drop
The sum of the three voltage drops in the example equals 5 volts,or source voltage.Implied here is that is that if the voltage is measured after the first resistance,the result would be 3 volts.Measuring after the second resistance would yield 2 volts and after the third resistance, zero volts.
This law remains in effect regardless of the number or size of resistances in a series circuit.
CaptainW116 - 17 Jul 2005 11:51 GMT Lambda sensor
The Lambda sensor(02 sensor) was introduced in 1977 in answer to ever tightening automotive emission regulations.The sensor sits in the exhaust system and monitors the amount of oxygen present in the exhaust gases.
There are three major components of combustion:fuel,heat and air.The combustible portion of atmospheric air is oxygen-28 %of air is oxygen.If the correct ratio of fuel and air have been combined in the combustion chamber,then all of the oxygen will be consumed during combustion.If the engine is running rich,either too much fuel or not enough air has been fed into the combustion chamber.Consequently,when the engine runs rich there is almost no oxygen left over.When the engine runs lean,either too much air or not enough fuel has been delivered to the combustion chamber.The result is a high oxygen constant in the exhaust system.
The Lambda sensor consist of two gas permeable layers of platinum separated by a layer of zirconium oxide ceramic.When the temperature of the Lambda sensor reaches 600 deg F.,the ceramic becomes conductive for oxygen ions. The outer layer of platinum is exposed to exhaust gases.The inner layer of platinum is exposed to ambient air.When the percentage of oxygen is balanced between the inner and outer layers,the ceramic will not attract oxygen ions from either side.When the percentage of oxygen in the exhaust gases decreases,the Lambda sensor begins to attract oxygen ions from the ambient air side and a voltage is produced.
The output voltage of the Lambda sensor usually ranges from 100 to 900 mV. A voltage greater than 450 m V is considered rich;a voltage less than 450 m V is considered lean.
Lambda Sensor Contamination
The Lambda sensor can be contaminated or damaged in several ways.
Leaded fuel is one example.The lead additive in regulator gasoline forms a coating over the platinum,keeping the oxygen from passing through to the ceramic layer.
A second possibility for contamination is some RTV silicone sealants.Use caution when purchasing engine repair sealants to ensure that they are Lambda sensor safe.Many silicone sealants also form a coating over the platinum keeping oxygen from passing through.
A third potential source of problems for the Lambda sensor is soot.Soot results from an engine running extremely rich or from the engine burning oil.Soot coats the Lambda sensor,preventing the oxygen from penetrating the platinum layer and reaching the zirconium oxide.
When working around the Lambda sensor,be aware that even small amounts of voltage can damage the sensor.Do not allow voltage to go down the wire to sensor.Even small voltages,such as those from an ohmmeter,can damage it.
Vibration can cause damage to the internal connections of the Lambda sensor or even destruction of the sensor.Sources of vibration would include hammering on the exhaust system,driving over rough roads and driving at excessively high speeds.
Finally,heat can damage the Lambda sensor.Although the sensor requires high temperatures to operate,excessively high temperatures can melt it.These temperatures can occur in the exhaust system when there is a crack in the manifold.
Testing the Lambda sensor
A simple test of the Lambda sensor involves two steps.
First,disconnect the connector between the Lambda sensor and the computer.Connect a high impedance voltmeter between the sensor and ground(earth).Then start the engine and allow it to run until the upper radiator hose is hot and pressurized.Next,hold the Lambda lead to the computer with one hand and touch the positive battery terminal with the other hand.This delivers a small voltage to the computer,causing the computer to believe that the engine is running rich.The engine rpm and the Lambda sensor voltage should drop.
If there is no response,connect the Lambda wire that goes to the computer to ground.This makes the computer believe that the engine is running lean.The rpm and the Lambda sensor voltage should both increase.
If the system passes either test,then the system is working properly.If the rpm changes but the Lambda voltage does not,replace the Lambda sensor.If neither change,check for continuity on the wire to computer.If the wire is good and the connection is good,replace the computer.
Mickey - 16 Jul 2005 14:40 GMT > Okay,for those of you tired of your Email filling up with this thread,I > cross posted to the same groups.What do you say we send them the > message? > Heres what I think they will enjoy as they usually end in long threads. > > 1) What is the best motor oil and why? The kind my mechanic puts in
> 2) If its 20 deg F. which grade of oil should I use? 20 deg F. Who drives in that freezing cold?
> 3) What are the possible reasons for my car to fail an emissions test? You took the test
> 4) What tires would you recommend? New ones
> 5) Conventional oil or synthetic,which is better? Progress my man, progress....
> 6) What would cause my door locks to fail all of a sudden? No bagels?
> 7) What is the "sexiest" Mercedes ever built and why? The one with the nude, 6 foot tall, 160 pound dark haired girl in it
> 8) W201 versus W124, which is better? M16
> 9) What are your favorite toppings on a pizza? Toppings? Only a heretic puts toppings on a pizza.
> 10)Has your luck with women improved during Mercedes ownership? What does luck with women have to do with a car?
The Department of Defense - 17 Jul 2005 03:29 GMT >> Okay,for those of you tired of your Email filling up with this thread,I >> cross posted to the same groups.What do you say we send them the [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > > The one with the nude, 6 foot tall, 160 pound dark haired girl in it Can I have one of those for Christmas, Grandpa?
>> 8) W201 versus W124, which is better? > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > What does luck with women have to do with a car? CaptainW116 - 17 Jul 2005 14:20 GMT You can't help but liking a jarhead like Mickey!Hoo-rah!
> "CaptainW116" <benznut450@yahoo.com> wrote in message > > > 8) W201 versus W124, which is better? > > M16 Would that be an A1 or A2 ?
Dori A Schmetterling - 16 Jul 2005 22:36 GMT You're just starting another one...
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El Bleacho - 17 Jul 2005 00:25 GMT > 1) What is the best motor oil and why? Mobil 1. Why - because it holds it's viscosity longer and has more lubricative properties. Important to you should be film strength and reduced friction. The best oil money can buy; and is the only oil allowed in the Corvette, Z07, Viper, or Ford GT. If it's what the great American sports car manufacturers suggest for their boy racers; then it's what you want in your daily driver.
> 2) If its 20 deg F. which grade of oil should I use? Whichever is recommended by the engine manufacturer.
> 3) What are the possible reasons for my car to fail an emissions test? Any error that is reported across that OBD-II plug.
> 4) What tires would you recommend? I love Michelin.
> 5) Conventional oil or synthetic,which is better? See the above.
> 6) What would cause my door locks to fail all of a sudden? Electric malfunction or mechanical failure.
> 7) What is the "sexiest" Mercedes ever built and why? The gull wing.
> 8) W201 versus W124, which is better? I don't like the 230 or the 190.
> 9) What are your favorite toppings on a pizza? Cheese and sauce only.
> 10) Has your luck with women improved during Mercedes ownership? My wife is more beautiful each day, and I drive a Jaguar during the week and a Viper on weekends.
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Dori A Schmetterling - 18 Jul 2005 14:24 GMT And Mercedes.
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>> 1) What is the best motor oil and why? > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > American sports car manufacturers suggest for their boy racers; then it's > what you want in your daily driver. [...]
CaptainW116 - 19 Jul 2005 02:38 GMT > Okay,for those of you tired of your Email filling up with this thread,I > cross posted to the same groups.What do you say we send them the [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > 9) What are your favorite toppings on a pizza? > 10)Has your luck with women improved during Mercedes ownership?
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