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How to kill the Mercedes Benz and the Jews thread!

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CaptainW116 - 16 Jul 2005 09:51 GMT
Okay,for those of you tired of your Email filling up with this thread,I
cross posted to the same groups.What do you say we send them the
message?
Heres what I think they will enjoy as they usually end in long threads.

1) What is the best motor oil and why?
2) If its 20 deg F. which grade of oil should I use?
3) What are the possible reasons for my car to fail an emissions test?
4) What tires would you recommend?
5) Conventional oil or synthetic,which is better?
6) What would cause my door locks to fail all of a sudden?
7) What is the "sexiest" Mercedes ever built and why?
8) W201 versus W124, which is better?
9) What are your favorite toppings on a pizza?
10)Has your luck with women improved during Mercedes ownership?
Wolf J. Flywheel - 16 Jul 2005 09:59 GMT
> Okay,for those of you tired of your Email filling up with this thread,I
> cross posted to the same groups.What do you say we send them the
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> 9) What are your favorite toppings on a pizza?
> 10)Has your luck with women improved during Mercedes ownership?

I think your first mistake was to subscribe to the group by email. I
recommend you change your subscription to no email, and then mark the
thread to be ignored.
Guenter Scholz - 16 Jul 2005 12:31 GMT
>1) What is the best motor oil and why?

    well, FYI, on my 89 300e I was resigned to small leaks, nothing
big, just annoying.  I switched to mobile1 because reading the group I
assumed it would help the engine last longer.  The leaks didn't change much
but possibly got a bit worse... can't really say for sure.  Long story short,,
I went back to ordinary oil, but this time 20/50 rather than the 10/40
of before and voila.... no more leaks.  Simply going to the somewhat more
viscous oil did the trick in quenching my small leaks.

 
>2) If its 20 deg F. which grade of oil should I use?

     If your car is older 20/50 all the time for me from now on and here
the temps go from -30C to +30C

>3) What are the possible reasons for my car to fail an emissions test?

    Just finished with that... really.  for me it was the EHV (or some such
alphabet soup) it's the solenoid controlled valve that emters the fuel into
the injectors.... it had a small leak as well causing an annoying gas smell

>4) What tires would you recommend?

    being cheap, I finally wanted to use my old Pirelli P600 spare that
is now 16 years old.  There were dire warnings of not to use it under any
circumstances because of age.  Heck, I thought, these tires were in the
spare compartment all the time, no UV so le't try it carefully.  I've now
put on several hundred km including freeway driving.... no problems, no
cracks etc.   Anyone want to sell me their old P600 195/15 spare???

>5) Conventional oil or synthetic,which is better?

   that's easy.... conventional 20/50 on old cars and syn on new ones.

>6) What would cause my door locks to fail all of a sudden?

  vacuum

>7) What is the "sexiest" Mercedes ever built and why?

    I guess I probably should say 300SL but I 'really' like my 300E

>8) W201 versus W124, which is better?

     124.... hands down.

>9) What are your favorite toppings on a pizza?

    kitchen sink

>10)Has your luck with women improved during Mercedes ownership?

   nahh ,,, my wife hates them.  Want's a new Toyata rather than me working
on older MB's .... new MB is not an option for me  :-)

-  cheers
Guenter Scholz - 16 Jul 2005 12:49 GMT
But you forgot another important topic which I'm now facing since replacing
my waterpump.... to use the MB red antifreeze or the local autoparts green
liquid..... how to mix?  tap water good enough or deionized or possibly
distilled water???

any suggestions welcomed

cheers

>Okay,for those of you tired of your Email filling up with this thread,I
>cross posted to the same groups.What do you say we send them the
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
>9) What are your favorite toppings on a pizza?
>10)Has your luck with women improved during Mercedes ownership?
Ernie Sparks - 17 Jul 2005 05:33 GMT
> But you forgot another important topic which I'm now facing since replacing
> my waterpump.... to use the MB red antifreeze or the local autoparts green
> liquid..... how to mix?  tap water good enough or deionized or possibly
> distilled water???

Never use de-ionized water in your system. It takes a rather long
explaination but it will eventually do damage to whatever it comes in
contact with (hate ending a sentence in a preposition). Normally, plain tap
water is fine. If you've flushed everything else out of your cooling system
either antifreeze should work fine. Reinstalling what was previously used
will work fine if the system is relatively clean. Good luck.

> any suggestions welcomed
>
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> >9) What are your favorite toppings on a pizza?
> >10)Has your luck with women improved during Mercedes ownership?
Guenter Scholz - 18 Jul 2005 14:47 GMT
many thanks Ernie, much appreciated.

- cheers, guenter

>> But you forgot another important topic which I'm now facing since
>replacing
[quoted text clipped - 28 lines]
>> >9) What are your favorite toppings on a pizza?
>> >10)Has your luck with women improved during Mercedes ownership?
Thom - 18 Jul 2005 15:59 GMT
Just use the new antifreeze.  The Yellow stuff that is comatible with
everything.  Not toxic like the green stuff.
loose cannon - 18 Jul 2005 16:49 GMT
> Just use the new antifreeze.  The Yellow stuff that is comatible with
> everything.  Not toxic like the green stuff.

Don't you know that the gas used by the Nazi's was yellow? It appears
that it is the owners of Mercedes Benz cars that are the anti-semites
of today. Burn your cars, you friggin Nazi's!!!!
LC - 18 Jul 2005 17:48 GMT
> Don't you know that the gas used by the Nazi's was yellow? It appears
> that it is the owners of Mercedes Benz cars that are the anti-semites
> of today. Burn your cars, you friggin Nazi's!!!!

Just a heads up: This is the same schizophrenic crossposting troll that
started this thread:

From: "J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com>
Newsgroups:
soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.israel,alt.politics.usa,seattle.politics,alt.auto.mercedes
Subject: Mercedes-Benz and the Jews
Date: 1 Jul 2005 21:07:45 -0700
Message-ID: 1120277265.284590.163860@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com

From: "loose cannon" <looseaint@aol.com>
Newsgroups:
alt.auto.mercedes,soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.israel,alt.politics.usa,seattle.politics
Subject: Re: How to drive a  Mercedes Benz and kill the Jews thread!
Date: 18 Jul 2005 08:49:38 -0700
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NNTP-Posting-Host: 152.163.100.9
From: "J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com>
Newsgroups:
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Subject: Roy Moore - Associate Justice SCOTUS ?
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Ignore and/or killfile it, or expect a flood of forgeries, bigotry, and OT
nonsense.

LC~ Knows of what he speaks.

"Hi folks! My name is J Young and I look foward to joining this forum
and meeting nice people. I have a variety of interests that I look
foward to sharing with all."
From: "J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> AKA "loose cannon"
<looseaint@aol.com>, whose 'interests' include trolling, forging, spamming,
and pedophilia.
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Thom - 18 Jul 2005 17:55 GMT
I don't condone people using drugs, but you need a 'lude!

I will get rid of my Mercedes when America can make a car that goes
over 240,000 miles on the original engine and transmissions with just
fluid changes and minor repairs and still zings to the redline when
asked.
greek_philosophizer - 18 Jul 2005 19:35 GMT
I condone drugs that are not toxic.

Mercedes factories are located in America therefore
America makes mercedes.

I wish they made Sprinters too. They are fairly rare
on the lots.

Do they still make "ludes" ?

.
greek_philosophizer - 18 Jul 2005 19:36 GMT
Oh no, I forgot to change the
title on this stupid thread.

.
greek_philosophizer - 18 Jul 2005 19:38 GMT
Oh no, I forgot to change the
title on this stupid thread
on my last post.

This is better.

.
CaptainW116 - 19 Jul 2005 02:43 GMT
> Oh no, I forgot to change the
> title on this stupid thread
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> .

Just for the record,this is who changed the subject name,not me!
greek_philosophizer - 19 Jul 2005 10:17 GMT
Thank you.

I thought it was a bit more upbeat
than its predecessor.

mmmmmmmmmmmm,
Mercs, beaches and chicks.......

.
Dori A Schmetterling - 19 Jul 2005 11:15 GMT
Watch out you don't get sand in the works...

DAS

For direct contact replace nospam with schmetterling
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[...]

> mmmmmmmmmmmm,
> Mercs, beaches and chicks.......
>
> .
greek_philosophizer - 22 Jul 2005 17:08 GMT
Words to live by!

.
Thom - 19 Jul 2005 13:44 GMT
Actually, I got it ("ludes) from the Starsky and Hutch movie.

True, they makes Merc's in the US, but they didn't make my 89.
CaptainW116 - 18 Jul 2005 23:02 GMT
> Don't you know that the gas used by the Nazi's was yellow? It appears
> that it is the owners of Mercedes Benz cars that are the anti-semites
> of today. Burn your cars, you friggin Nazi's!!!!

So what your saying is,anyone that eats a banana,squash,or a lemon is a
anti-semite and a Nazi too?
CaptainW116 - 19 Jul 2005 02:10 GMT
> Don't you know that the gas used by the Nazi's was yellow? It appears
> that it is the owners of Mercedes Benz cars that are the anti-semites
> of today. Burn your cars, you friggin Nazi's!!!!

School buses are actually in fact little Nazi transports?Huh,go figure!
CaptainW116 - 19 Jul 2005 02:15 GMT
> Don't you know that the gas used by the Nazi's was yellow? It appears
> that it is the owners of Mercedes Benz cars that are the anti-semites
> of today. Burn your cars, you friggin Nazi's!!!!

Hey parents out there,boycott Sesame Street because we all know now Big
Bird is an anti-semite Nazi!!!!
Martin Joseph - 19 Jul 2005 20:36 GMT
>> Don't you know that the gas used by the Nazi's was yellow? It appears
>> that it is the owners of Mercedes Benz cars that are the anti-semites
>> of today. Burn your cars, you friggin Nazi's!!!!
>
> Hey parents out there,boycott Sesame Street because we all know now Big
> Bird is an anti-semite Nazi!!!!

I thought Bert was the evil one!
CaptainW116 - 19 Jul 2005 23:05 GMT
> >> Don't you know that the gas used by the Nazi's was yellow? It appears
> >> that it is the owners of Mercedes Benz cars that are the anti-semites
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>
> I thought Bert was the evil one!

You can't blame Bert for giving the impression of being evil.If you had
to share a room with a spaz like Ernie for about 30 years,then you
would feel the same also.Think about it,Ernie obviously has a drug
problem and comes in all hopped up on whatever drug and screws with
Berts mind and subjects him to sleep deprivation.Poor Berts mind has
gotten so fragile that he talks to pigeons and more than likely has a
lifetime prescription for valium to deal with Ernies crap!!!But Ernie
doesn't stop here,he has the "yellow" rubber ducky and teases Bert by
mimicking him talking to it.Perhaps Ernie has some hidden sexual
desires for Bert,but we may never know!
The Spanish Inquisition - 16 Jul 2005 14:16 GMT
> Okay,for those of you tired of your Email filling up with this thread,I
> cross posted to the same groups.What do you say we send them the
> message?
> Heres what I think they will enjoy as they usually end in long threads.

It's fairly useless, I'm afraid. These silly threads are posted by
trolls who are the real culprits. Most of the people who react to them
don't even realize they're cross posting.

The IETF should change the NNTP spec to make crossposting impossible IMHO.

Ximinez
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and an almost fanatical devotion to the Pope....
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øéòéï áøúåïý/Riain Barton - 16 Jul 2005 21:39 GMT
Just like you didn't you just cross-posted to soc.culture.jewish?

Now, so did I -- but I put soc.culture.jewish as "Followup-To:"

"The Spanish Inquisition" <ximinez@myown.mailcan.com> wrote in message
news:42d90893$0$48941

: It's fairly useless, I'm afraid. These silly threads are posted by
: trolls who are the real culprits. Most of the people who react to them
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
:
: Ximinez
The Spanish Inquisition - 17 Jul 2005 09:20 GMT
> Just like you didn't you just cross-posted to soc.culture.jewish?
>
> Now, so did I -- but I put soc.culture.jewish as "Followup-To:"

Yeah, that's another option. All the a.a.mercedes folks could just start
firing off inflammatory replies to the offending thread with the
follow-ups set to everything *but* a.a.mercedes. With some luck the Jew
discussion will follow the newly created subthreads and leave us with
our w124's and w123's.

Ximinez
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and an almost fanatical devotion to the Pope....
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CaptainW116 - 17 Jul 2005 10:49 GMT
Ohms Law
There is a mathematical relationship between volts,
amps and ohms.Stated in the simplest terms,it takes 1 volt of
electrical pressure to push 1 amp of current through 1 ohm of
resistance.For an automotive technician,there are two important facts
corcerning Ohms law.

First,assuming we keep the voltage the same,as the resistance in a
circuit decreases,the current flow in the circuit increases.

Second,again assuming we keep the voltage the same,as the resistance in
a circuit increases,the current flow in the circuit decreases.

The second fact of Ohms law is what enables the current-limiting
resistors used in computer circuits to prevent overload of the power
supplies and voltage regulators.

Kirchhoffs Law
Kirchhoffs first law state the algebraic sum of the voltage drops in a
series circuit equals source voltage.This principle is self
explanatory,thus we will not address it here.

Kirchhoffs second law,also built on the principle of Ohms law,states
that as a current passes through resistances in a series
circuit,voltage will be lost.

The amount of voltage lost is directly proportional to the
resistance.If a circuit is powered by 5 volts,and there are 5 equal
resistances in the circuit,there will be 1 Volt lost as the current
passes through each resistance.

A slightly more scientific explanation involves the notion of voltage
drop per ohm.If the source voltage in a circuit is 5 volts,and the
total resistance in that circuit is 5,000 ohms,then the drop in voltage
as the current passes through each ohm would be 1 mV (millivolt,or
0.001 volt).Therefore,if the 5,000 ohms consist of a 2,000 ohm
resistor,then the voltage drop across each resistor will be as follows:
       2,000 ohms X 0.001 volt =a 2 volt drop
       1,000 ohms X 0.001 volt =a 1 volt drop
       2,000 ohms X 0.001 volt =a 2 volt drop

The sum of the three voltage drops in the example equals 5 volts,or
source voltage.Implied here is that is that if the voltage is measured
after the first resistance,the result would be 3 volts.Measuring after
the second resistance would yield 2 volts and after the third
resistance, zero volts.

This law remains in effect regardless of the number or size of
resistances in a series circuit.
CaptainW116 - 17 Jul 2005 11:51 GMT
Lambda sensor

The Lambda sensor(02 sensor) was introduced in 1977 in answer to ever
tightening automotive emission regulations.The sensor sits in the
exhaust system and monitors the amount of oxygen present in the exhaust
gases.

There are three major components of combustion:fuel,heat and air.The
combustible portion of atmospheric air is oxygen-28 %of air is
oxygen.If the correct ratio of fuel and air have been combined in the
combustion chamber,then all of the oxygen will be consumed during
combustion.If the engine is running rich,either too much fuel or not
enough air has been fed into the combustion chamber.Consequently,when
the engine runs rich there is almost no oxygen left over.When the
engine runs lean,either too much air or not enough fuel has been
delivered to the combustion chamber.The result is a high oxygen
constant in the exhaust system.

The Lambda sensor consist of two gas permeable layers of platinum
separated by a layer of zirconium oxide ceramic.When the temperature of
the Lambda sensor reaches 600 deg F.,the ceramic becomes conductive for
oxygen ions. The outer layer of platinum is exposed to exhaust
gases.The inner layer of platinum is exposed to ambient air.When the
percentage of oxygen is balanced between the inner and outer layers,the
ceramic will not attract oxygen ions from either side.When the
percentage of oxygen in the exhaust gases decreases,the Lambda sensor
begins to attract oxygen ions from the ambient air side and a voltage
is produced.

The output voltage of the Lambda sensor usually ranges from 100 to 900
mV. A voltage greater than 450 m V is considered rich;a voltage less
than 450 m V is considered lean.

Lambda Sensor Contamination

The Lambda sensor can be contaminated or damaged in several ways.

Leaded fuel is one example.The lead additive in regulator gasoline
forms a coating over the platinum,keeping the oxygen from passing
through to the ceramic layer.

A second possibility for contamination is some RTV silicone
sealants.Use caution when purchasing engine repair sealants to ensure
that they are Lambda sensor safe.Many silicone sealants also form a
coating over the platinum keeping oxygen from passing through.

A third potential source of problems for the Lambda
sensor is soot.Soot results from an engine running extremely rich or
from the engine burning oil.Soot coats the Lambda sensor,preventing the
oxygen from penetrating the platinum layer and reaching the zirconium
oxide.

When working around the Lambda sensor,be aware that even small amounts
of voltage can damage the sensor.Do not allow voltage to go down the
wire to sensor.Even small voltages,such as those from an ohmmeter,can
damage it.

Vibration can cause damage to the internal connections of the Lambda
sensor or even destruction of the sensor.Sources of vibration would
include hammering on the exhaust system,driving over rough roads and
driving at excessively high speeds.

Finally,heat can damage the Lambda sensor.Although the sensor requires
high temperatures to operate,excessively high temperatures can melt
it.These temperatures can occur in the exhaust system when there is a
crack in the manifold.

Testing the Lambda sensor

A simple test of the Lambda sensor involves two steps.

First,disconnect the connector between the Lambda sensor and the
computer.Connect a high impedance voltmeter between the sensor and
ground(earth).Then start the engine and allow it to run until the upper
radiator hose is hot and pressurized.Next,hold the Lambda lead to the
computer with one hand and touch the positive battery terminal with the
other hand.This delivers a small voltage to the computer,causing the
computer to believe that the engine is running rich.The engine rpm and
the Lambda sensor voltage should drop.

If there is no response,connect the Lambda wire that goes to the
computer to ground.This makes the computer believe that the engine is
running lean.The rpm and the Lambda sensor voltage should both
increase.

If the system passes either test,then the system is working properly.If
the rpm changes but the Lambda voltage does not,replace the Lambda
sensor.If neither change,check for continuity on the wire to
computer.If the wire is good and the connection is good,replace the
computer.
Mickey - 16 Jul 2005 14:40 GMT
> Okay,for those of you tired of your Email filling up with this thread,I
> cross posted to the same groups.What do you say we send them the
> message?
> Heres what I think they will enjoy as they usually end in long threads.
>
> 1) What is the best motor oil and why?

The kind my mechanic puts in

> 2) If its 20 deg F. which grade of oil should I use?

20 deg F. Who drives in that freezing cold?

> 3) What are the possible reasons for my car to fail an emissions test?

You took the test

> 4) What tires would you recommend?

New ones

> 5) Conventional oil or synthetic,which is better?

Progress my man, progress....

> 6) What would cause my door locks to fail all of a sudden?

No bagels?

> 7) What is the "sexiest" Mercedes ever built and why?

The one with the nude, 6 foot tall, 160 pound dark haired girl in it

> 8) W201 versus W124, which is better?

M16

> 9) What are your favorite toppings on a pizza?

Toppings? Only a heretic puts toppings on a pizza.

> 10)Has your luck with women improved during Mercedes ownership?

What does luck with women have to do with a car?
The Department of Defense - 17 Jul 2005 03:29 GMT
>> Okay,for those of you tired of your Email filling up with this thread,I
>> cross posted to the same groups.What do you say we send them the
[quoted text clipped - 28 lines]
>
> The one with the nude, 6 foot tall, 160 pound dark haired girl in it

Can I have one of those for Christmas, Grandpa?

>> 8) W201 versus W124, which is better?
>
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>
> What does luck with women have to do with a car?
CaptainW116 - 17 Jul 2005 14:20 GMT
You can't help but liking a jarhead like Mickey!Hoo-rah!

> "CaptainW116" <benznut450@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> > 8) W201 versus W124, which is better?
>
> M16

Would that be an A1 or A2 ?
Dori A Schmetterling - 16 Jul 2005 22:36 GMT
You're just starting another one...

:-)
DAS
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> Okay,for those of you tired of your Email filling up with this thread,I
[...]
El Bleacho - 17 Jul 2005 00:25 GMT
> 1) What is the best motor oil and why?

Mobil 1.  Why - because it holds it's viscosity longer and has more
lubricative properties.  Important to you should be film strength and
reduced friction.   The best oil money can buy;  and is the only oil allowed
in the Corvette, Z07, Viper,  or Ford GT.   If it's what the great American
sports car manufacturers suggest for their boy racers;  then it's what you
want in your daily driver.

> 2) If its 20 deg F. which grade of oil should I use?

Whichever is recommended by the engine manufacturer.

> 3) What are the possible reasons for my car to fail an emissions test?

Any error that is reported across that OBD-II plug.

> 4) What tires would you recommend?

I love Michelin.

> 5) Conventional oil or synthetic,which is better?

See the above.

> 6) What would cause my door locks to fail all of a sudden?

Electric malfunction or mechanical failure.

> 7) What is the "sexiest" Mercedes ever built and why?

The gull wing.

> 8) W201 versus W124, which is better?

I don't like the 230 or the 190.

> 9) What are your favorite toppings on a pizza?

Cheese and sauce only.

> 10) Has your luck with women improved during Mercedes ownership?

My wife is more beautiful each day,  and I drive a Jaguar during the week
and a Viper on weekends.

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Dori A Schmetterling - 18 Jul 2005 14:24 GMT
And Mercedes.

DAS
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For direct contact replace nospam with schmetterling
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>> 1) What is the best motor oil and why?
>
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> American sports car manufacturers suggest for their boy racers;  then it's
> what you want in your daily driver.

[...]
CaptainW116 - 19 Jul 2005 02:38 GMT
> Okay,for those of you tired of your Email filling up with this thread,I
> cross posted to the same groups.What do you say we send them the
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> 9) What are your favorite toppings on a pizza?
> 10)Has your luck with women improved during Mercedes ownership?
 
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