Metal Conditioners - do they work?

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ws - 04 Aug 2005 05:42 GMT

Hi all,

Have been doing some web research on oil Additives, and so far, only the
class known as metal conditioners seem to have some technical merit.

There seem to be two processess, one which has been around for years.

Justice Brothers is probably the best known brand, but they are highly
deficient in technical details.

Found a website from another company which explains the process:
http://www.rgsoilrig.com/products/mettleplus_technical.htm

Basically, a chemical which bonds to the metal, and exposes the
"slippery" side so that 2 metal surfaces don't actually touch.

The other "newer" one from Ukraine XADO , seems to be a little more
"active" in the way it treats the metal surface:

http://www.xado-us.com/index.html

This bonds ceramic material to your metal

Anyone have *practical* good/bad experience with this stuff?

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WS

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ws - 05 Aug 2005 10:31 GMT

OK, now having read up some more, and gotten more info, so replying to
myself. I assume this is what is going on, please feel free to make
corrections:

> Hi all,
>
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> Found a website from another company which explains the process:
> http://www.rgsoilrig.com/products/mettleplus_technical.htm

> Basically, a chemical which bonds to the metal, and exposes the
> "slippery" side so that 2 metal surfaces don't actually touch.

The base ingredient seems to be ZDDP
(zinc dialkyldithiophosphate) or some variant.

It really works (TM), but does have environmental concerns, here is an
article describing it's effects:

http://www.rednova.com/news/display/?id=61299 (sorry, no pictures)

This stuff is apparently found also in high quality Motor Oils in small
quantities, and the caveat is that adding too much may reduce the
effectiveness of your Catalytic converter.

The oil companies are looking, but they don't seem to have found
anything better (from the article):

"Based on the work he has done over a 10-year period, Bancroft believes
that it will be very difficult to find another antiwear additive as
effective as ZDDP."

> The other "newer" one from Ukraine XADO , seems to be a little more
> "active" in the way it treats the metal surface:
>
> http://www.xado-us.com/index.html
>
> This bonds ceramic material to your metal

Not much data on xado itself, but cermet films seem to have been used in
automotive racing applications for some time, here is a company doing
this. These films need to be applied manually:

http://www.mei-inc.com/machine/coatings1.htm

From what I can surmise, the innovating that Xado seems to have done,
is to make the above process "automatic" (and cheap), just by adding the
ceramics to your oil. Hence, no need to dismantle the engine to apply
this stuff.

> Anyone have *practical* good/bad experience with this stuff?

Still haven't found much testimonials on the web.

WS

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Henry Kolesnik - 06 Aug 2005 17:51 GMT

If what I've seen about XADO is true, you wouldn't ever need to be concerned
about wear. And if this was true XADO would be overwhelming the market by
repairing oil burning engines through chemistry. Sounds too good to be
true, more like snake oil to me.

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> OK, now having read up some more, and gotten more info, so replying to
> myself. I assume this is what is going on, please feel free to make
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> WS

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