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Here we are - $3.00/gallon Diesel!

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T.G. Lambach - 07 Aug 2005 03:39 GMT
I ventured out this morning, drove past our local automotive oasis, and
saw it, yes IT - $2.999/gallon Diesel, about a dime ABOVE premium gas.

Bush's energy policy!

They talk, talk, talk and talk and we pay, pay, and pay.

What do you think about it??????
Karl - 07 Aug 2005 03:50 GMT
Tell me about it!!!!   In Fresno, Calif I saw $3.09 a gallon at one place. Cheapest I saw today was
2.69 but you gotta search for it.
http://www.fresnogasprices.com/index.aspx?fuel=D

Go here and pick your state:
http://www.gasbuddy.com/

>I ventured out this morning, drove past our local automotive oasis, and saw it, yes IT -
>$2.999/gallon Diesel, about a dime ABOVE premium gas.
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>
> What do you think about it??????
CaptainW116 - 07 Aug 2005 03:58 GMT
Though unhappy with paying $2.70 per gallon for super unleaded,I'm
thankful that I don't live in Norway and pay $7.00 per gallon.

Here in Alaska,we have a permanent fund dividend paid yearly to
residents from the oil companies.The highest it ever reached was $1975
back in 2000.That year,the state government sent us a check for
$7900,but now the dividend has plummeted down to $900.Now at the prices
of gas,seems that we just barely break even figuring the total spent a
year.Only a $3600 check this year,SIGH!!!!
Harri Markkula - 07 Aug 2005 11:11 GMT
> I ventured out this morning, drove past our local automotive oasis,
> and saw it, yes IT - $2.999/gallon Diesel, about a dime ABOVE premium
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
> What do you think about it??????

It's not only Bush's policy what is behind this.

You americans buy growing amounts of goods from China and other
countries and that's why chinese can afford buying your oil paying more
than before.

So, you can thank yourselves for this.

Reg:    Harri
CaptainW116 - 07 Aug 2005 22:07 GMT
> that's why chinese can afford buying your oil paying more
> than before.

????????OUR OIL????????Clarify,do you mean what we produce or them
buying Saudi oil with our money?
CaptainW116 - 07 Aug 2005 22:19 GMT
Before our Great Depression,what was the European governments greatest
fear?Answer;our economy failing,nothing has changed!
Harri Markkula - 07 Aug 2005 22:27 GMT
> Before our Great Depression,what was the European governments greatest
> fear?Answer;our economy failing,nothing has changed!

Jess.

God Bless USD. Right ;-)

Reg:    Harri
Harri Markkula - 07 Aug 2005 22:26 GMT
>> that's why chinese can afford buying your oil paying more
>> than before.
>
> ????????OUR OIL????????Clarify,do you mean what we produce or them
> buying Saudi oil with our money?

When chinese want more and more oil they buy it out of the market and
price rices.

That's very simple.

Reg:    Harri
CaptainW116 - 07 Aug 2005 22:39 GMT
> When chinese want more and more oil they buy it out of the market and
> price rices.
>
> That's very simple.
>
> Reg:    Harri

And when we have less money to spend on "their" imports,the less "they"
have to buy oil!
Harri Markkula - 07 Aug 2005 23:06 GMT
>> When chinese want more and more oil they buy it out of the market and
>> price rices.
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> And when we have less money to spend on "their" imports,the less
> "they" have to buy oil!

Not quite.

When you have less money you can't afford to valuable US made goods any
more and you have to buy more cheap chinese crap.

You see ;-)))

Reg:    Harri
CaptainW116 - 07 Aug 2005 23:21 GMT
Obviously you have never been shopping in the US.Import goods far out
number domestic goods(Shoes,clothes,electronics etc,etc.)

Not only has the cost of oil skyrocketed,the prices of food,rent, non
essential services(cell phones,entertainment,etc...)has greatly
increased,but the income of the average American has not.

You are familiar with supply and demand right?Well,if Chinese goods are
in demand,the prices increase,thus.................See?
Harri Markkula - 08 Aug 2005 07:55 GMT
> Obviously you have never been shopping in the US.Import goods far out
> number domestic goods(Shoes,clothes,electronics etc,etc.)

If the shoes are good they are italian or maybe even norwegian.

Clothes are chinese and electronics japanese, korean, taiwanese, chinese
...

So?

> Not only has the cost of oil skyrocketed

Of course everything goes up. If one goes the ohters will do it too.

> You are familiar with supply and demand right?Well,if Chinese goods
> are in demand,the prices increase,thus.................See?

Just like oil price ;-)

Reg:    Harri
CaptainW116 - 07 Aug 2005 22:25 GMT
> You americans buy growing amounts of goods from China and other
> countries.

Uh,huh!And the more we have to pay per gallon and on home heating
cost,the less we have to spend on imports.Hmmmmmmmmm?Got it?
Dori A Schmetterling - 07 Aug 2005 11:56 GMT
You're moaning about a rise in the low North American prices.

So long as you are nowhere near most of the rest of the developed world you
will gain little sympathy except from fellow NAs who make up, of course, the
majority of the participants of this newsgroup..  :-)

In the last two weeks I was driving around Italy in a rented diesel vehicle
and paid EUR 1.12 to 1.15 per litre.  About the same as in the UK.

BTW it was, as last year, an Alfa Romeo 147 with a 1.9 l turbodiesel.
Maaan, what pulling power in third... Still the prettiest car in its class,
I think.
http://www.alfaromeo.com/cgi-bin/pbrand.dll/ALFAROMEO_COM/models/models.jsp?BV_S
essionID=@@@@0344891624.1123412033@@@@&BV_EngineID=ccceaddffgmdeflcefecejgdfiidg
nm.0&categoryOID=-1073784434


See changing gallery in top left corner.

DAS
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>I ventured out this morning, drove past our local automotive oasis, and saw
>it, yes IT - $2.999/gallon Diesel, about a dime ABOVE premium gas.
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>
> What do you think about it??????
Dori A Schmetterling - 08 Aug 2005 19:09 GMT
Further to T G Lambach's lament, I just heard on the radio news that
standard 95 octane petrol (c. 91 US) has hit 90 pence a litre somewhere in
Britain.  (Well, it's been well over 80 pence in the London area for a
while.)

Get your violins out please.

(The other week I was in Jordan where the price was much closer to US
levels; I enjoyed filling up...)

DAS

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> You're moaning about a rise in the low North American prices.
>
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>>
>> What do you think about it??????
greek_philosophizer - 08 Aug 2005 19:34 GMT
You get around.

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Dori A Schmetterling - 08 Aug 2005 20:40 GMT
It goes in phases but you noticed...  :-)

During the previously-mentioned family holiday in Italy we drove south from
Lake Garda to Florence, which meant that the motorway went past Modena which
is near that house of dreams in Maranello...

No, did not get into the Ferrari factory -- that's hard even for customers,
I gather -- but to the nearby official Galleria/museum:
http://www.galleria.ferrari.com/galleria/index.htm?language=ENGLISH

We bought the most expensive baseball cap ever, EUR 20, but at least it is
10 000+ times cheaper than a car despite the prancing horse at the front...
and, as it is very bright red, is great for locating our little son in a
crowd if he runs off.  Nearly lost him in the Leaning Tower of Pisa complex.

Side observation: that cap was available in innumerable souvenir shops in
Florence.  Same price and quality in every one.  Talk about having a grip on
the market...

DAS

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> You get around.
>
> .
Henry Kolesnik - 07 Aug 2005 15:20 GMT
It's not the energy policy it's the war in Iraq.  Your paying for it twice,
once in taxes and second in high energy cost.  We need to gety him and his
lackeys out of office.

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Hank WD5JFR

>I ventured out this morning, drove past our local automotive oasis, and saw
>it, yes IT - $2.999/gallon Diesel, about a dime ABOVE premium gas.
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>
> What do you think about it??????
CaptainW116 - 07 Aug 2005 21:47 GMT
You Americans,you Americans!!! Remember this,our economy fails,your
economy fails,point blank period!!!!Enough already,sheesh!
Cheesehead - 08 Aug 2005 13:53 GMT
The semi-free US economy keeps the rest of the Euro/CA socialists
afloat.
No doubt.  Weaken the US significantly and the socialist economies
don't survive.
All they'll do is grab more control.  Because, by definition, that's
what socialists do.

Collin
KC8TKA
CaptainW116 - 07 Aug 2005 22:03 GMT
> It's not the energy policy it's the war in Iraq.  Your paying for it twice,
> once in taxes and second in high energy cost.  We need to gety him and his
> lackeys out of office.

To be quite honest,it will just be another Republican't elected in 2008
if they play the bible thumper card again!
Repo Man - 09 Aug 2005 18:27 GMT
[This followup was posted to alt.auto.mercedes and a copy was sent to
the cited author.]

We are paying for it once as the Oil War is being charged to Uncle Sam's
Visa Card; the little idiot emporer has decreed that his subjects will
pay less taxes for now. The reckoning will not come until the next
administration (or later) comes in to clean up the Bush II financial
mess. Watch US interest rates skyrocket and the economy tank
simultaneously.

It was called 'stagflation' after the USA fought the Vietnam War without
paying for it. If you didn't see the original you will love the sequel.

> It's not the energy policy it's the war in Iraq.  Your paying for it twice,
> once in taxes and second in high energy cost.  We need to gety him and his
> lackeys out of office.
greek_philosophizer - 08 Aug 2005 12:05 GMT
This is a good thing.
At this price biodiesel is competitive.

.
Cheesehead - 08 Aug 2005 13:48 GMT
1. Only a small portion of our fuel comes from Saudi, etc.
Venezuela & other S.A. nations, iirc, are our source for a much higher
quantity.
We can't really blame the sheiks.
And W is no more to blame than HW or the HillBillies.

2.  It's our economy, not the government's.
It is what we make it by how we spend our money.
If we don't buy Chinese goods, China hurts, oil falls, and US business
succeed.
Government meddling, by both political philosophies, is damaging to the
economy.

Adam Smith was always right.

Collin
KC8TKA
Conrad - 10 Aug 2005 15:39 GMT
> 1. Only a small portion of our fuel comes from Saudi, etc. Venezuela &
> other S.A. nations, iirc, are our source for a much higher quantity.
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> Collin
> KC8TKA

I totally agree with you on government meddling - but we have
a government in place that has told us "be afraid of everything -
vote for us and we'll fix it" Too many idiots buy that propaganda,
as evidenced by the last presidential election. And yes,
frankly, "W" is too blame - his administration, business associates,
and policies have been stunningly exploitive - while "W" shakes
his head and asks (I'm NOT making this up) "Is our kids learning".
Let's hope they are learning - otherwise we can look forward to
Jeb in 2012. And trust me - I have roots in Florida and Texas -
Jeb's no more competent than his brother - it's just that he can
be an idiot in two languages, where "W" hasn't mastered one yet.

I can't totally agree with you on the source of America's petrol.
As you noted in point 2, there are two ways Americans buy
petroleum - one is at the gas pump. But the other is when we
purchas manufactured goods from other companies. Wander
through your home and inspect everything you've bought lately.
When it says Made in XYZ, you've bought petroleum based on XYZ's
petrol purchasing policies. So yeah, maybe we're buying Chavez'
oil at the pump (but given the increasing political friction,
how long will that last?), but we're buying petroleum elsewhere
far too often when we go shopping.

Cheers,

Conrad
Huw - 09 Aug 2005 10:29 GMT
>I ventured out this morning, drove past our local automotive oasis, and saw
>it, yes IT - $2.999/gallon Diesel, about a dime ABOVE premium gas.
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
> What do you think about it??????

Get used to it. It is likely to get worse over the next five years unless
World recession takes hold.
Here in the UK we are now at somewhere near $7US per US gallon. The economy
is not great but it is not bad either.

Huw
Harri Markkula - 09 Aug 2005 10:41 GMT
>> I ventured out this morning, drove past our local automotive oasis,
>> and saw it, yes IT - $2.999/gallon Diesel, about a dime ABOVE
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> Here in the UK we are now at somewhere near $7US per US gallon. The
> economy is not great but it is not bad either.

Thath's how it is and will be.

Well come to the world of globalisation. While the economics of the
third world rices, it will go down or at least stop growing in developed
countries. And there is nothing we can do about it.

Reg:    Harri
William Brown - 09 Aug 2005 15:29 GMT
>>>I ventured out this morning, drove past our local automotive oasis,
>>>and saw it, yes IT - $2.999/gallon Diesel, about a dime ABOVE
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
>
> Reg:    Harri

Not necessarily.  Consider the decades following WWII, when ruined
European and Japanese economies were developing, yet the US was fairly
prosperous concurrently.  As the third world countries develop, they
become not only producers, but consumers.  GM sells a lot of vehicles in
China now.

The limited and diminishing supply of petroleum is an altogether
differet problem, and when it gets bad enough, some enterprising people
will develop a replacement.
Harri Markkula - 09 Aug 2005 16:06 GMT
>>> Get used to it. It is likely to get worse over the next five years
>>> unless World recession takes hold.
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> become not only producers, but consumers.  GM sells a lot of vehicles
> in China now.

Main issue is are you sure it does not rice GM prices, when chinese buy
them?

Then the other thign is that after WWII GM cars were made in USA and it
was good for US economy. Now GM cars sold in China are not made by
americans any more.

> The limited and diminishing supply of petroleum is an altogether
> differet problem, and when it gets bad enough, some enterprising
> people will develop a replacement.

Well, that's a totally different story.

Reg:    Harri
Conrad - 10 Aug 2005 15:14 GMT
>>> I ventured out this morning, drove past our local automotive oasis, and
>>> saw it, yes IT - $2.999/gallon Diesel, about a dime ABOVE premium gas.
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
>
> Reg:    Harri

Uuuurgh - here in the SouthEast U.S., diesel was at or less than
regular prices a couple of year ago. It is now higher than premium.
This has nothing to do with globalization, and everything to do
with the government and petroleum companies believing (correctly)
that the average American consumer has been rendered completely
idiotic by watching too many episodes of Jerry Springer.

When we re-affirmed our voting commitment to Prez Shrub and his
Saudi buddies (quiz - how many 9/11 terrorists were Saudi?) we
sent a clear message that we would bend over and take it in the
rear sans vaseline. When we had the nerve to squeak at the resulting
rise in fuel prices, there was some fast sleight-of-hand, and gas
prices were (temporarily) lowered - but they raised diesel prices.
We thanked the government for saving us yet again, but failed to
notice that we were still paying higher fuel prices - but we were
paing them at the grocery store - because the major consumers of
diesel in the U.S. are truckers. Ooops.

On the flip side - Petroleum is a finite resource. No matter which
theory of petroleum creation you subscribe to, we will run out,
sooner or later - or to be more accurate, we won't run out - it
will just become increasingly scarce and expensive. So what the
heck - let Bush and his petrol buddies make a few bucks while they
can, because sooner or later, we are going to have to change
something and sooner is better than later. And frankly, when I
think of the image of certain mid-east governments sucking the
last few drops of oil from dry sand, while American farmers are
getting paid to raise veggie-oil crops, it can't happen too soon.

Cheers,

Conrad
Jerry - 10 Aug 2005 17:34 GMT
I am now paying $ 1.07 - 1.09 a litre =  approx. $4.00 a gallon in Canada.
Why the H didn't you invade & take over Saudi Arabia. The big bonus would
have been to control the oilfields & get rid of the "kings". A side bonus
would be putting a bigger dent in the fight against terrorists. How many of
their leaders are Saudis?

>>>> I ventured out this morning, drove past our local automotive oasis, and
>>>> saw it, yes IT - $2.999/gallon Diesel, about a dime ABOVE premium gas.
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>
> Conrad
Cheesehead - 10 Aug 2005 18:28 GMT
Because we got more from Venezuela than from Saudi.
S. America is a larger source, basically because of reduced shipping
costs.

Collin
Dori A Schmetterling - 10 Aug 2005 21:13 GMT
...and UK/Norwegian oil production is declining nicely... though gas is
doing well, AFAIK.

DAS

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> Because we got more from Venezuela than from Saudi.
> S. America is a larger source, basically because of reduced shipping
> costs.
>
> Collin
canoli@sbcglobal.net - 11 Aug 2005 06:03 GMT
>Because we got more from Venezuela than from Saudi.
>S. America is a larger source, basically because of reduced shipping
>costs.
>
>Collin

The at the pump price today in Orange County. CA is $3.09.

Canoli
Dori A Schmetterling - 11 Aug 2005 13:06 GMT
Don't moan and just enjoy it.  Here (UK) it is pushing USD 6 per US gallon.

DAS

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>>Because we got more from Venezuela than from Saudi.
>>S. America is a larger source, basically because of reduced shipping
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> Canoli
greek_philosophizer - 11 Aug 2005 16:03 GMT
Or perhaps moan and enjoy it....

This is an opportunity to find a 100% biodiesel vendor....

They are out there.

.
Repo Man - 09 Aug 2005 18:22 GMT
Try walking for a change.

> I ventured out this morning, drove past our local automotive oasis, and
> saw it, yes IT - $2.999/gallon Diesel, about a dime ABOVE premium gas.
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>
> What do you think about it??????
 
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