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Car Forum / Mercedes-Benz Cars / August 2005

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Business Week Mercedes Cover Story

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DaFlaBear - 08 Aug 2005 02:56 GMT
Anyone else read it?
Does not put a good light on quality.
They are squeezing out every penny they can from their vendors (and the
consumer too with no free maintenance on new cars).
I was going to buy a new 2007 S500 but now I'm thinking BMW instead.
T.G. Lambach - 08 Aug 2005 05:06 GMT
Why do you care about M-B's quality?

A new M-B comes with a 4 year warranty which can be extended if you
choose to keep the car longer.

So the bother is yours but the repair and replacement cost is theirs -
and they're learning that - BIG TIME!

I'm sure that after ten minutes with BMW's i-drive you'll come running
back to quality deficient M-B.

Cars have become overly complicated to justify their high price points,
and complexity breaks.
That's the real problem, IMHO.
CaptainW116 - 08 Aug 2005 06:54 GMT
> Why do you care about M-B's quality?
>
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> and complexity breaks.
> That's the real problem, IMHO.

Outstanding T.G.,couldn't have put it better myself!
Buckshop LeFunk - 08 Aug 2005 12:42 GMT
to the LS 430

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BuckShot LeFunk
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1998 LS 400
1999 E320 4-Matic

> Why do you care about M-B's quality?
>
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> and complexity breaks.
> That's the real problem, IMHO.
MrGrumpy - 09 Aug 2005 00:07 GMT
In the Europe/Germany the warranty is 1 year, in the UK 3 years

> Why do you care about M-B's quality?
>
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> and complexity breaks.
> That's the real problem, IMHO.
mcbrue - 09 Aug 2005 03:37 GMT
Hey there bear guy! Thanks for the info about business week article.
Now I gotta go ta tha trailer nex door an git tha ole boy thar ta read
it ta me!! I have looked at the BMW, and that weird little mess in
there that controls everything seems a bit complex for an old geezer
whut caint read two gud. Them ole kudzu burner looks OK, but I think
the seat is a tad smaller than the noQual ShrimpMobile. So I am going
to look at the new ShrimpMobile and see what it is like. If it is no
good - a high probability I fear - then I will go buy a used kudzu
burner for a year till the new cheap MB imitation LS comes out in 07.
The current ShrimpMobile is getting kinda old.

mcbrue readinglychallanged under the bridge in the trailer down by the
river

96 S420
DaFlaBear - 09 Aug 2005 04:49 GMT
The sad thing is most of you could not buy a new  S500 if MB offered 30
year financing.
So getting screwed on maintenance does not matter to you.
But if you paid 90 grand for one you might have a different perspective.
The closest you can get is a "test drive".
Hernando Correa - 09 Aug 2005 05:26 GMT
> The sad thing is most of you could not buy a new  S500 if MB offered 30
> year financing.
> So getting screwed on maintenance does not matter to you.
> But if you paid 90 grand for one you might have a different perspective.
> The closest you can get is a "test drive".

I couldn't agree with you more, especially when other luxury car makers
still offer the 3 or 4 yr. free maintenance.
greek_philosophizer - 09 Aug 2005 17:39 GMT
If the negativity were removed from your comment
you would be left with inadvertently having raised an
interesting point. They could probably sell more cars
with longer financing (  like 7 to 10 years  ) if they could
also throw in a warranty and maintenance for that
term. Many people keep them that long.

.
rl1856 - 20 Aug 2005 02:03 GMT
Quite true.  Domestically, auto makers earn their profit from financing
and resale rather than the sale of the new car.

Inflating the MSRP to cover maintenance, combined with longer term
financeing could potentially create a long term, highly profitable
revenue stream.  However, this business model would require that
consumers change their approach to auto buying.  Right now, a car is
viewed as a disposable fashion item.  Most drive what is trendy right
now, then dump it in favor of the next hot thing.  Migrating to a
longer ownership cycle would require consumers to view cars as
investments rather than disposable commodities.

Best,

JD
rl1856 - 20 Aug 2005 02:04 GMT
Quite true.  Domestically, auto makers earn their profit from financing
and resale rather than the sale of the new car.

Inflating the MSRP to cover maintenance, combined with longer term
financeing could potentially create a long term, highly profitable
revenue stream.  However, this business model would require that
consumers change their approach to auto buying.  Right now, a car is
viewed as a disposable fashion item.  Most drive what is trendy right
now, then dump it in favor of the next hot thing.  Migrating to a
longer ownership cycle would require consumers to view cars as
investments rather than disposable commodities.

Best,

JD
cp - 10 Aug 2005 03:46 GMT
> The sad thing is most of you could not buy a new  S500 if MB offered 30
> year financing.

30 year financing on a S500?? Sign me up! Will they take my '81 300D and '66 200S as trades?

cp
cp - 10 Aug 2005 03:51 GMT
> The sad thing is most of you could not buy a new  S500 if MB offered 30
> year financing.
> So getting screwed on maintenance does not matter to you.
> But if you paid 90 grand for one you might have a different perspective.
> The closest you can get is a "test drive".

yeh yeh, we heard you the first time! I'll now crawl back into my 1981 300D in shame that I can't afford a new S500...

cp
 
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