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Car Forum / Mercedes-Benz Cars / January 2006

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greek_philosophizer - 23 Aug 2005 16:28 GMT
http://www.iranmania.com/News/ArticleView/Default.asp?NewsCode=34590&NewsKind=Cu
rrent%20Affairs


LONDON, August 21 (IranMania) - Bonyan Auto Manufacturing Group, an
affiliate to Pars Industries Development Co, has already started
assembling and manufacturing Chairman cars, MNA reported.

According to German car magazine "Auto Bild", the SsangYong Chairman is
based on the platform of the1984 - 1995Mercedes-Benz W 124E-Class
sedans. Chassis, axles, steering, brakes and engines are purely
Mercedes, the rest being modified: The body is lengthened by 25 cm.

SsangYong is one of the lesser known Korean manufacturers, but it has a
well known European partner in Mercedes-Benz, with whom it has had
technical links for some time.

It builds Mercedes' faithful inline- 6under license and it uses it to
good effect in the Musso, a big SUV styled in Britain and currently one
of the fastest of its kind. Now the Koreans have gone even further,
using not only a Mercedes-derived engine, but also a Stuttgart chassis.
The result is the Chairman, a143 -mph (( 230km/h)) luxury car that was
an instant success when it went on sale in Korea late last year.

Based on the floor pan of the previous-generation E-Class, the Chairman
uses the Mercedes-designed and SsangYong-built3 .2-liter24 -valve
inline- 6that produces220 bhp, delivered through Mercedes-Benz's
latest5 -speed automatic. The car boasts traction control as well as a
multilink rear suspension and electronic shock absorber control.

The interior of the16 .5-ft.-long ((5, 05m, see graphics above))
Chairman is equipped to full luxury standards, living up to its price
of $66. 000in Korea.

Developed over a four-year period of collaboration between SsangYong
and Mercedes, the Chairman represents an investment of $ 496million.

Designed for Far Eastern markets, the new car will also be sold in
Eastern Europe. It will not - no doubt at the request of Stuttgart - be
sold in Western markets where SsangYong sells its off-roaders.

The temptation of a bargain-price "E-Class" might be too tempting for
the taxi drivers of Belgium, Holland and Scandinavia.

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Dori A Schmetterling - 23 Aug 2005 18:32 GMT
It's "success-driven." :-)

http://www.ssangyong.co.nz/chairman.html

I am sure this vehicle was mentioned here in this NG before.

DAS
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> http://www.iranmania.com/News/ArticleView/Default.asp?NewsCode=34590&NewsKind=Cu
rrent%20Affairs

>
> LONDON, August 21 (IranMania) - Bonyan Auto Manufacturing Group, an
> affiliate to Pars Industries Development Co, has already started
> assembling and manufacturing Chairman cars, MNA reported.
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Dori A Schmetterling - 23 Aug 2005 18:55 GMT
http://www.ssangyong.co.nz/chairman_colours.html

Ever heard of "pertinent silver"?

Pertinent to what?

:-)
DAS

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> It's "success-driven." :-)
>
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>> assembling and manufacturing Chairman cars, MNA reported.
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greek_philosophizer - 23 Aug 2005 21:22 GMT
> http://www.ssangyong.co.nz/chairman_colours.html
>
> Ever heard of "pertinent silver"?
>
> Pertinent to what?

Perhaps they mean to say it is not impertinent.

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Dori A Schmetterling - 23 Aug 2005 22:10 GMT
I wouldn't be, not to the chairman anyway.

DAS

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> Perhaps they mean to say it is not impertinent.
>
> .
Juergen . - 24 Aug 2005 05:19 GMT
> It's "success-driven." :-)
> http://www.ssangyong.co.nz/chairman.html
> I am sure this vehicle was mentioned here in this NG before.

The Chairman underwent a face-lift this year.

Since June 1998 I do have a page about the
original version incl. some 1997 spy-photos at
http://www.mbspy.com/sych600.htm

Personally I do not like the face-lift.

Oh, and yes, the original version was not
allowed to sell in the European Community
by Mercedes, but then Poland wasn't member
of the EU and thr Chairman was sold e.g.
there.

Juergen
lordsmallpiece - 07 Jan 2006 14:17 GMT
Can anybody give me a clue as to why my car is difficult to start in the
morning. There is a fuel shortage problem it takes an age to get the fuel
up from the tank. Is there a pump from tank to injection pump? if so
where.
Also the pre-heat light only come on after the engine is going then goes
out after approximatley 30 seconds. Has anyone got any ideas? I would
really greatful for any suggestions.
lordsmallpiece
T.G. Lambach - 08 Jan 2006 05:28 GMT
Your engine's fuel system has an air leak that's allowing air to seep
into the lines. Then the engine's fuel pump must expel the air before
the engine has fuel to start. Check the fuel hose connections and fuel
filters for tightness.

OR,

The glow plugs are not working - at all - and you're cranking the engine
until it finally starts.

Either way, have a professional M-B mechanic take a look at it for it
won't fix itself, meanwhile you're taxing the battery and starter.
Juergen . - 24 Aug 2005 05:35 GMT
> http://www.iranmania.com/News/ArticleView/Default.asp?NewsCode=34590&NewsKind=Cu
rrent%20Affairs

> According to German car magazine "Auto Bild", the SsangYong Chairman is
> based on the platform of the1984 - 1995Mercedes-Benz W 124E-Class
> sedans. Chassis, axles, steering, brakes and engines are purely
> Mercedes, the rest being modified: The body is lengthened by 25 cm.

That whole paragraph is stolen from my website
http://www.mbspy.com/sych600.htm
I summarized an article from German _Auto Bild_
in English language in my own words.

> SsangYong is one of the lesser known Korean manufacturers, but it has a
> well known European partner in Mercedes-Benz, with whom it has had
> technical links for some time.

This whole paragraph is stolen from American
_Road & Track_, you can read that also - of
course cited with the source - at
http://www.mbspy.com/sych600.htm

> Based on the floor pan of the previous-generation E-Class, the Chairman
> uses the Mercedes-designed and SsangYong-built3 .2-liter24 -valve
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> The temptation of a bargain-price "E-Class" might be too tempting for
> the taxi drivers of Belgium, Holland and Scandinavia.

ALL these paragrapha are stolen from American
_Road & Track_, you can read that also - of
course cited with the source - at
http://www.mbspy.com/sych600.htm

Nice attitude from http://www.iranmania.com/ -
they are thieves plus they are selling the
stolen goods as _new_ although it's years old...

Oh, and YES, they even do lie and say it's _their_ work:
_Please note that the news articles are the property and
copyright of IranMania.com. Under no circumstances may
they be reproduced in any shape or format. Any user found
to be copying the news articles from IranMania will face
legal action by IranMania.com / Persicom Ltd or its
associated news providers if the article has been purchased
from them._
http://www.iranmania.com/company/copyright.asp

Maybe I should get them to a US court and demand 5 million dollars?

Juergen
cp - 24 Aug 2005 06:58 GMT
> Nice attitude from http://www.iranmania.com/ -
> they are thieves plus they are selling the
> stolen goods as _new_ although it's years old...

And look at their site layout; it's stolen from Yahoo.

c;
Dori A Schmetterling - 24 Aug 2005 11:39 GMT
As you know, imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.  Your (website's)
fame is spreading far and wide.

Yes, try suing IranMania in the US, but for at least USD fifty million.  The
way the juries decide over there it seems to require little extra work to
achieve 50m rather than 5m.

DAS

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> That whole paragraph is stolen from my website
> http://www.mbspy.com/sych600.htm
[...]

> This whole paragraph is stolen from American
> _Road & Track_, you can read that also - of
> course cited with the source - at
> http://www.mbspy.com/sych600.htm

[...]

> ALL these paragrapha are stolen from American
> _Road & Track_, you can read that also - of
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
>
> Juergen
Juergen . - 24 Aug 2005 19:29 GMT
Hi Dori,

> Yes, try suing IranMania in the US, but for at least USD fifty million.  The
> way the juries decide over there it seems to require little extra work to
> achieve 50m rather than 5m.

Besides the fact that I of course will not sue
them I always wonder what these people think -
in today's world of the internet it is _so_
easy to detect such thefts;
also I can clearly see they did not steal from
Road & Track directly, but via my site.

I wonder how loud the responsible guy - Mr. Bahram
Pourghadiri of 2 Belsize Square, London NW3 4HT -
would cry if I would come over and _borrow_ his
car and then sell it as if would be mine...

Interestingly the absolutely identical stolen
text is also at
http://www.iran.ru/eng/iran_news.php?act=news_by_id&_n=1&news_id=18282
http://www.einnews.com/iran/newsfeed-IranAutomotive

That's another phenomenon:
B steals from A and then C copies from B stating
B as source and of course not A.

Working on my site all these mechanisms very often
made it difficult to decide if infos and rumours of
future MBs were real or nonsense

Juergen
Dori A Schmetterling - 24 Aug 2005 20:58 GMT
Not far from where my sister lives...less than a km I would say.  Maybe she
should bring a gang of heavies round...

DAS

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> I wonder how loud the responsible guy - Mr. Bahram
> Pourghadiri of 2 Belsize Square, London NW3 4HT -
> would cry if I would come over and _borrow_ his
> car and then sell it as if would be mine...
[...]
Juergen . - 24 Aug 2005 21:29 GMT
> Not far from where my sister lives...less
> than a km I would say.  Maybe she
> should bring a gang of heavies round...

Oh no, that is definitely not my style
(yes, I know, you were only kidding)!

But when an official MB dealership from the
UK once stole content from my site (didn't
ask, didn't state source) I wrote an email
to the general manager telling him I'd come
along the day after and would use one of
their dealership cars in the same way they
used the content from my site -
needless to say they deleted the content
from their site within hours...  ;-))

For non-commercial sites I always gave
allowance to use _my_ material and always
told them they have to ask the other
copyright holders (if any, but was mostly
the case).

To summarize: If one puts material on the
net one must be aware it is very likely to
be stolen almost immediately.
And any legal action of course is pointless
when the stolen material is on servers in
the Ukraine or China or the Caribbean or...
or... or...

Juergen
greek_philosophizer - 26 Aug 2005 22:02 GMT
There seems to be no intellectual property rights on the internet.

There should be a way to deal with that.

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